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But What About Parks In New York City?

There is a lot of, shall we call it "misleading", information being thrown around regarding Measure Z.

Over the past couple of weeks I've received confusing questions from Wildomar residents with concerns about Measure Z. Here are some examples:

  • "I'm told by people that we'll pay more for park maintenance than New York City"
  • "I'm told by people that we will pay more for park irrigation than Mississippi"
  • "I'm told by people that the City will probably spend the Measure Z funds on things other than parks"

There is a lot of, shall we call it, "misleading" information, being thrown around regarding Measure Z. Generally trying to understand any measure can be confusing, but oddly enough the gossip about Measure Z is more confusing than the measure itself. The actual adopted resolution is available for reading at this site: http://www.wildomarparkz.com/documents/AdoptedResolution.pdf 

The City resolution simply states: The annual $28 tax (about $2 a month) that would be paid (by Wildomar property owners) would be be used solely for operation and maintenance of city parks in Wildomar. Funds shall be used to keep the parks clean and safe, that all expenditures shall be audited annually and the City will create a "Citizen" oversight committee to advise the City Council on expenses and provide input from the community of what Wildomar wants from its parks. None of the Measure Z funds can be spent on anything but direct park related costs. 

There should be no confusion regarding Measure Z. The only real question is, "Do we want Parks in Wildomar?" If you believe Wildomar should have parks, but still have concerns regarding the use of Measure Z's funds, please sign up with the City to be on the Oversight Committee or to receive that committee’s monthly Council report.

I believe Wildomar, like all cities, benefits from having parks. When you go to the polls this time, please vote “YES” on Measure Z.

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The Teller of Truth October 30, 2012 at 07:27 PM
Keep up the good work John Lloyd! YEZ ON MEAZURE Z!
Martha L. Bridges October 30, 2012 at 10:37 PM
Oh sure, John, you keep up the great campaign work. You've been "shopping" for a City of Wildomar paid staff position with a nice salary, benefits and perks since before the vote on incorporation. And for any readers who would doubt these words or John's real intentions you can check out his application for the city manager job back in the day, and also his Facebook exchanges with his brother about seeking the long anticipated job of Wildomar Parks and Recreation Director or Manager. We live in the modern world of the internet and easy access to what people have said and done in the past. It’s all out there on the web. There is nothing "misleading" about what the growing number of Measure "Z" opponents are saying. We are just filling in the missing information the super slick consultants and city parks proponents carefully left out of all the “information” they are distributing. This is really about money! The City of Wildomar and their cronies want more of ours in the form of new and bigger taxes. Those of us who have been here for decades and remember the financial mess the Ortega Trails group dragged us into with their attempts to constantly expand parks programs and double and triple the original parks tax, NO ON MEASURE “Z” is the answer. For those interested in more facts: Read about the HIDDEN AGENDA. If you are willing to look, it really isn't hard to find. http://wildomarmagazine.wordpress.com/
The Teller of Truth October 30, 2012 at 10:55 PM
Oh Yeah, Wildomar mag rag is the BIBLE of all things TRUE in Wildomar! HA! Hey Marfa, where's your buddy Gil? Did he figure you out yet & disassociate himself from you? Wondering minds.......
Ken Mayes October 31, 2012 at 12:18 AM
Martha You disappoint me, you have single handedly turned the discussion of this unwarranted an unnecessary tax into a personal issue. You may have tipped the tide of many on the sideline toward the wrong side. The only agenda here is that the city council does not feel parks are necessary otherwise they would find a way to fund them from the general fund. To ask the taxpayer for additional funds when they have failed to even try to fund them out of the 6 1/2 million dollars they already have in general funds is unconscionable.
Constant Comment October 31, 2012 at 12:29 AM
@Ken, you're just now figuring Marfa out? Well I guess better late than never! }~)
Martha L. Bridges October 31, 2012 at 12:35 AM
Ken, I absolutely respect your opinion and the research you have painstakenly presented, but mine opinion differs from yours on this one point. I felt that this information about John Lloyd's motivation needed to be added to the discussion. It seems that the council is willing to not only ask for more tax money, but also present a falsehood about how, on what and with whom all that excess money will be spent.
Constant Comment October 31, 2012 at 01:00 AM
Anyone that respects Marfa, raise your hand! Anyone? Anyone at all? }~(
Ken Mayes October 31, 2012 at 02:04 AM
Then concentrate on the misleading information as to where this money will be spent and not on any one individual to do so makes your arguments no better than theirs. If I remember correctly the last tax measure turned into a name calling match by a majority of the blog supporters of Measure D. Please let them defeat themselves again.
Constant Comment October 31, 2012 at 02:08 AM
I'm afraid its much too late.....}~)
Diana October 31, 2012 at 02:44 AM
Aww ohhh Martha is getting some of that much needed attention that she craves :)
Constant Comment October 31, 2012 at 02:58 AM
She might be getting negative attention....but shes not getting the support that she set out to get on Measure Z. The whole thing kinda backfired in her face. }~(
Constant Comment October 31, 2012 at 03:01 AM
I'm sorry to inform you Mr. Lloyd but you are wrong...Marfa does NOT have any "blogger friends." Ken was it..... but now he is even "disappointed" ! }~(
Martha L. Bridges October 31, 2012 at 01:31 PM
How disingenous... It is false to tell people that the only way to retain Wildomar's parks is to vote for this poorly conceived Measure "Z" tax. This is not the "do or die" situation you are implying - at least not for the citizens of Wildomar. If Measure "Z" is defeated it would send a clear message to the city council that they had produced yet another unsatisfactory tax proposal that was too ambitious in its scope, too expensive in its cost, and lacked the necessary clear planning to assure the taxpayers revenues would be spent correctly. Perhaps it would then dawn on the council that they needed to roll up their sleeves and do the detailed planning to provide a good, well-understood foundation for a parks program. You will note that I didn't say that they should once again hire a slick bunch of highly paid consultants and attorneys, but actually do the work themselves in a properly agendized council meeting or workshop where they actually listened to Wildomar's people rather than dictating to them. Measure "Z" is not a good proposal and I hope people will not accept it. We should hold out for something better that will actually limit the expansion of parks programs and the need for ever increasing demands for more new taxes.
Martha L. Bridges November 01, 2012 at 03:29 AM
It's not about me but the issues, and I am happy to report that support and concern is coming in from every area. People want truthful answers to the questions which have be raised about Measure "Z" and how the city is being run.
The Teller of Truth November 01, 2012 at 07:43 PM
Like Constant said.......too late. We'll see what the FAMILIES WANT!!!
Constant Comment November 01, 2012 at 08:09 PM
Marfa is like the weather, nothing you can do about it! }~)
justme November 01, 2012 at 08:40 PM
@Ken You have Martha to thank for our votes. We are voting YES mainly based upon the bias of Martha. HER view upon things is asinine and unfair. I have to think that someone so lethal to the city of Wildomar is so opposed to something, it has to be good for the city.
Martha L. Bridges November 01, 2012 at 09:25 PM
I note that John has never responded to my posting about seeking a paid city position supported by the money from Measure "Z". Nuff said!
Constant Comment November 01, 2012 at 09:31 PM
Marfa, believe it or not, people do not have to JUMP when you open your mouth! When are you going to see that? John does not owe you an answer. Everything is not a little conspiracy. Get yourself a hobby....NOW its enough said! }~)
Kristan Lloyd November 01, 2012 at 10:50 PM
I love Proverbs. Proverbs 6:15-19 is a great read. John simply hasn’t responded because Prov. 9:7 states “Whoever corrects a mocker invites insult. He’s tired, I’m tired, we are all tired of the b.s.. The vote is absolutely in the hands of the citizens that can hopefully see truth. To base truth statements on someone else’s blog/opinions is shear folly. John did apply for the City Manager job and he would have been a great choice. He runs a half a million square foot facility and deals with contract services for everything from grounds keeper to security, food services to Homeland Security and much, much more. His build out projects come in within budget and sometimes under. His projects save the company hundreds of thousands if not over a million annually. Frankly, the city would have been in a much better place now, but I am biased.
Kristan Lloyd November 01, 2012 at 10:54 PM
I will tell you of John’s true motive. The big conspiracy. He wants parks in Wildomar for the community. He has no intention of applying for any position with the city. His background wouldn’t make him a good candidate if the job was actually posted. We moved to Riverside in 2001 from Riverside not only to make his commute to Temecula much easier. Truth be told, we also needed a change because John’s son, Brandon passed away from bacterial meningitis at the house in 1997. We moved from a neighborhood that was blocks from Hunt Park. Our Community Parks and Recreations programs literally saved us and gave us the ability to get involved in life. We couldn’t put one foot in front of the other without running into a brick wall of grief. We kept moving forward for our twin 4 year old girls and the park and rec system gave us that ability to find resources that we could afford and that were local. We used the community center for $5 classes such as Fun 4 Fours, Karate, Soccer, Baseball, Easter Egg Hunts. We had a balloon release for Brandon’s remembrance of life. We met for family reunions. The list goes on. His only motive is to be able to give others the choice to vote on the opportunity to access programs available in other cities. Parks are a connection to the community to us. Nuff said.
Constant Comment November 02, 2012 at 12:10 AM
@Kristan, sorry to learn of your sons passing. Perhaps when this measure passes, you & John can plant a remembrance tree to honor Brandon. God Bless! }~)
Constant Comment November 02, 2012 at 12:14 AM
Kristan Lloyd, You guys don't owe Marfa an explaination for anything that you do. We mock her cause its my job. Don't take anything she says to heart. As you can probably tell, the community stands with you on this. Her character is only that of a bitter fool. Please take her nonsense in stride....}~)
Gerry Stevenson November 04, 2012 at 12:54 AM
Not everyone has a motive for what they do. John is one of the hardest working resident who gives his time freely for the good of the community. His only motive for what time he has given toward saving our parks is he cares for Wildomar and wants the best for our community. He and many of us agree that parks are assets for any community. Life seems to eat away at some people who waste their lives on hate, destruction and winning what? If people where taking on such a bitter campaign against the parks for a big fee a year, maybe you could see a reason for this opposition to having parks for our children and families to get to gather for reunions, etc. Please say yes on Z. We can save our parks. As for wanting to work for a community you love, so what. I would love to know that we had people employed that love the community.
Gerry Stevenson November 04, 2012 at 01:00 AM
Kristan I have worked with both you and John and you are a blessing to this community. We would be so lucky to have John to be part of the administration of the Wildomar City. Thank you for all that you both do for this community.
Constant Comment November 04, 2012 at 01:02 AM
Marfa, we told you that we have a can going around the office, taking up donations for your $28 share! }~)
Constant Comment November 04, 2012 at 01:07 AM
I agree with you Gerry. In regards to your statement about loving to see people employed that actually 'do' love their community, that is precisely why marfa got shot down, not once, but twice. You will never see her in any position for the city, because she does not love Wildomar....nor herself. }~)
Rae Anne Resident April 19, 2014 at 09:44 PM
I cain't blieve I gotta pay that $28 for the stupid kids in wildomar so they can run a round a scream outside like fools. No one likes parks.
justme April 19, 2014 at 09:54 PM
Hopefully they run around and scream even louder all night long just for you rae anne
Cliff April 20, 2014 at 09:51 AM
dude! talk about the more things change the more they stay the same! s. chick has been bitter for a long time! and mountain man has been cranky for a long time too! i kinda feel sorry for them...

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