The Truth About Wildomar’s Parks

So, here is the truth about parks and recreation spending in our valley compared to Wildomar. Some people are willing to mislead voters to get their way so let's set the record straight.

So, here is the truth about parks and recreation spending in our valley compared to Wildomar. Some people are willing to mislead voters to get their way. The opponents of Measure Z want to compare lil ol’ Wildomar’s services to New York City! How in the world do you begin comparing Wildomar with the most populated city in the United States which runs schools, courts, hospitals, and even provides funding to a university? Wildomar is a small, family oriented community. It’s just not the same! To make that comparison is just silly. It’s like comparing apples to onions. Anyone ever eat an onion pie for dessert?

Thankfully, we have intelligent people in Wildomar who can make decisions based on factual information, not just made up numbers. The truth is Murrieta spends $116.42 per resident on Culture and Recreation. Temecula spends $188.47 per resident on Community Services. Like Murrieta, Temecula includes maintenance and recreation services in their overall budget. Similarly, the $300,000 that would be raised with Measure Z would include maintenance and recreation services. Now, we are talking “apples to apples.”

Measure Z would provide Wildomar with its community parks and recreation budget. Using the same comparison to our neighbors, Measure Z will allow Wildomar to spend $9.32 per resident on maintenance and recreation services. It is modest in comparison to our neighboring cities. However, it’s a small amount of money to pay for restoring recreational services, maintaining safe playground equipment, maintaining clean restrooms, restoring safety lighting and removing graffiti -- and it's a small price to pay for increased quality of life. Hiding half of the equation to mislead Wildomar residents is just plain wrong. But then the opponents are the same people who say they care about the community but do nothing but sabotage all the potential solutions.

When Measure Z opponents start comparing apples to onions again, to convince you it’s the truth, you might want to peel back that onion. What you’ll find is that they keep changing their story to fit their desired outcome. They do not have Wildomar’s best interest in mind. If they did, they wouldn’t be making up facts by comparing us to New York City. It’s insulting to all our intelligence. I guess it shows where the opponents are coming from. They clearly don’t think much of our residents. Besides, I’d rather have Wildomar’s residents be served apple pie this election (a.k.a. the truth).

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Ken Mayes October 18, 2012 at 07:25 PM
John Your right Wildomar cannot be compared to New York City. New York City has a population density of 27,243 persons per sq. mi. (that's one person for every 1,023 sq. ft.)( a box 32 ft. x 32 ft.) while Wildomar has a population density of 1400 persons per sq. mi. (that's one person for every 19,913 sq. ft.)( a box 140 ft. x 140 ft.) even at the projected build-out of 52,000 for the city that box will only shrink to a box 110 ft by 110 ft. The point being the people of Wildomar have space. You on the other hand find no problem in using New York City or other major metropolitan areas when trying to show the intrinsic value of parks to a neighborhood. When I compared the price per acre of New York City parks I used their parks and recreation budget divided by the acres of park lands. Using the same numbers for Wildomar's proposed budget (Measure Z funds) divided by the current park acreage returns a number almost 2 1/2 times what New York spends. At the rate Wildomar wants to spend money for parks at the build out population of 52,000 Wildomar will require 156 acres (using the Quimby Act formula of 3 acres per 1,000 population) of park land costing $3,900,000 per year which will be $75.00 for every man woman and child in the city. This does not include the cost of the land and development of the park (the county finished Temescal Canyon park for $435,600 per acre) only $62 million more required from Wildomarian's
Michelle Deskin October 18, 2012 at 10:34 PM
Regardless Ken, These are my facts: 2 parks are closed because we DON'T HAVE THE MONEY to keep them open! We have no green grass at the one park that is open Citizenz are doing the tree trimming, trash collecting, grass cutting, etc... to keep the parks open Are you at the park helping out by chance or giving money for the cause, we are I for one want parks open for my kids & grandkids to play at as I can't afford a park to put in my back yard! For a mear $28.00, which is a little more than $2.00 a month(one soda or coffee), we can have that park to go to. A park includes the quality of our city!
Ken Mayes October 18, 2012 at 11:53 PM
Michelle If you wish to pay $28.00 a year to have a park then by all means vote Yes for Measure Z. I do not wish to have a park and therefore have already voted No. You claim that the city does not have the money to pay for parks but according to the last audited budget report for 2010-11 the city spent $58,500 to maintain the 2 parks that are closed which is $500.00 more than the cost of the phone poll and education campaign to pass this tax, which by the way I received my first mailer for days after I voted. The attempt to pass the last tax Measure D cost far in excess of what it cost to maintain those same 2 parks. As for green grass look around Wildomar the only people that have any great amount of somewhat green grass live in tract homes, more than likely because their CC&R's require it, the people that have lived in Wildomar for any length of time have come to realize they live in a desert not a tropical paradise as advertised in 1887. I do applaud those that did make an attempt to keep the park open with volunteer support its just to bad that whomever set it up failed to get this organization its 501(c)(3) status which prevented them from acquiring corporate sponsors and the ability to apply for grants, which the city of Wildomar just awarded a little over $18,000 to 3 organizations based outside the city. It also didn't help they had no books to keep track of income and expenses leading to them being behind on bills.
Ken Mayes October 19, 2012 at 02:02 AM
Michelle Just lost some respect for WFFP, just looked over at the park and the lights are on. For a group that not a week ago was whining the had no money and were in the arrears to Edison for $6200.00 that is totally irresponsible either that or Santa Claus showed up.
John Lloyd October 19, 2012 at 05:50 AM
I'm told they've setup a payment plan with Edison and have been given the OK to use the lights. I can't say I agree, but it's not my call and I may not have all the facts.
Tina B October 19, 2012 at 12:46 PM
In all honesty, the residents need to understand that community parks are not a gift from the city, but rather something that all residents must take pride in. In Elsinore we are challenged as well (old electrical that needs upgrading, irrigation, etc.) As residents we have to bring it home, raise community funds and awareness of the necessessity of the parks. Also, bringing more league involvement. Sitting idly by and waiting for things to change because of a vote isn't going to do it. The residents have to help raise $ where it's needed. That's what small towns & communities over the years have had to do. Times haven't changed that. Kudos Michelle for stepping up!!
Ken Mayes October 19, 2012 at 04:28 PM
John Whether they got a payment agreement or not, to continue to run up the bill is irresponsible. While looking for information about this organization the only way most people in town can, on the internet, they have not had a fundraiser since June a newsletter since March and their facebook traffic has dropped off to zilch since the first of September. One of their most vocal supporters who happens to be a city council person has virtually disappeared since the tax proposal was put on the table. This person has instead dedicated themselves to ramming this tax thru, I guess they can't multi-task. Without funds coming in how are they going to pay the bills, even if the tax is passed this money is still going to be owed.
KevWild October 19, 2012 at 09:45 PM
: I asked Ken Mayes awhile back if there is anything "good" he could say about how the city of Wildomar is being run (something to that effect anyway, feel free to correct me). He said there is "nothing" that Wildomar is doing that he finds "good." (again, correct me please?) With that thinking, it leads me to believe he has contempt for any growth, development, improvements, community uniting, etc. Ken Mayes only sees darkness (my opinion). Why is that Ken? And your Patch companion Martha Bridges is right in step with you (or you with her). Again, I believe there is more bitterness from you two than happiness. You are both hell-bent on an agenda to frustrate. I won't call you names or disrespect you, but your blogging is destructive. Why don't YOU run for city office and fix what needs fixing? John Lloyd, thank you for posting this article.
Ken Mayes October 19, 2012 at 11:10 PM
KevWild Give me one example of something the city of wildomar has done that I should be proud to support.
Anon October 20, 2012 at 01:34 AM
I hope you guys get your parks back! :)
KevWild October 20, 2012 at 07:01 AM
: Me too American.
KevWild October 20, 2012 at 07:08 AM
: Ken, I know enough not to enter into a debate like this. It will turn into a pissing contest. You've answered my question, and thanks. ps: if it makes you feel any better, the city I came from did a better job at addressing citizen concerns (graffiti, police, street sweepers, weed abatement, senior services, and so forth) but maybe they had more money? Sometimes I wonder where my property taxes go here in Wildomar. But that's not the subject here.
Ray A October 20, 2012 at 01:48 PM
John, you are a great patriot at our most local level. Thanks for not giving up. The citizens and kids of Wildomar owe you a great vote of thanks and support. Please everybody, support saving our parks. Vote Yes On Z!
Ken Mayes October 20, 2012 at 02:21 PM
KevWild Answered the only way you could, the city has done nothing more than what the county was already doing except we are now paying more for it. Not just with money either, the amount of divisiveness created by this local government far exceeds anything the county had ever done in the past. As to wondering where your tax money is going quit wondering and start looking the city budget is available online and far easier to understand than when it was buried in the counties budget.
Foe October 21, 2012 at 12:25 AM
Has the Wildomar city put out a financial report to discuss how all the $350,000 for the 3 parks will be spent? If it is like most budgets and ask for more than we need, I am voting against it.
KevWild October 21, 2012 at 07:33 PM
: Ken, Don't ask me questions about anything around here cause I'm not really from around here so I can't answer any specifics. I just come on here to start trouble with the top bananas, so to speak. I think its fun to put them in their place. Besides that, I really have nothing better to do. Don't take my rants personally, ok? =)
KevWild October 21, 2012 at 07:38 PM
: Ken Mayes: It's my turn to have my name and picture copied lol. Finally. Anyway, to determine if it's really me, mouse over my name, and in the lower left of your screen you'll see "http://lakeelsinore-wildomar.patch.com/users/kevwild"; blink on. If there's anything AFTER kevwild, it's not me. The person that is copying me has "/kevwild-5992b898" at the end.
KevWild October 21, 2012 at 07:41 PM
: My name has been copied folks. Not much I can do about it. Sorry. And Yes on Z
KevWild October 21, 2012 at 07:42 PM
: My name has been copied folks. Not much I can do about it. Sorry.
KevWild October 21, 2012 at 07:47 PM
: Really Ken it's important that you believe me. I have two accts and this person is on the other one! There are two different numbers!
N1smo2go October 22, 2012 at 09:19 PM
It is apparent those that are complaining are the same people that moved to Wildomar in the early 70-90's thinking that it would always stay small. Now buoyed by Murrieta at 100K plus residents and Lake Elsinore going over 60K, Wildomar has a lot of land to be developed. These residents want their tranquil little patch they had so many years to go. Parks are a necessity to spurn recreational activities for the many families that have moved in with children and etc. It is an integral part to the quality of life, to have open space. I live in Murrieta and I played softball at Marna O Brien, it's a good park and should be kept open like all parks. This is a selfish attempt by a few in Wildomar, that are against any development. It's too bad, that their selfishness hurts the many kids, that will play, practice and enjoy themselves. Keep those parks open, you have my support. Your neighbor in Murrieta.
Ken Mayes October 23, 2012 at 05:26 PM
Your so damned important, let me bow down. You move into a area that I have called home for 30 years and demand that all the undeveloped open spaces be occupied, all so we can be like somewhere else. If your like most people that come here you will live in your home 5-10 years and move on leaving the rest of us to pay for your wants. Not true you say, a tract of homes in my area has 38 homes built 22 years ago, today there are 3 original owners. I'm going to guess you work in either the construction business or real estate and you can't stand the sight of an empty lot nor a road packed with traffic. Let's look at Murrieta today, they built homes on an old gravel pit where even today homeowners have issues with settling, you have a downtown in which millions have been spent and yet nobody visits, you have traffic out the wazoo because people need to leave town for work even though more millions have been spent on industrial parks with vacancy rates approaching 20%, you have commercial centers that have vacancy rates approaching 25%, office spaces with vacancy rates around 35%. So we should hurry up and be just like Murrieta or Temecula.
The Teller of Truth October 23, 2012 at 11:43 PM
@John Lloyd, keep up the good work! Despite all of the other nonsense here, you are doing a fine job! More power to ya! YEZ ON MEAZURE Z!
Martha L. Bridges October 29, 2012 at 03:33 PM
Are you kidding? This city council and their staff don't want to put a plan on paper and allow the public to see how and with whom they would spend the revenue from this excessive new tax. Actual planning at that detailed level is a concept this council seems unable or unwilling to grasp. They are operating on the theory that voters should simply hand over $350,000.00 each and every year - and trust them to truthfully spend it properly on the parks. You can bet that buried in their unpublished, unshared plans is more of the CRONYISM AND CORRUPTION that two Riverside County Grand Jury Reports have already found so objectionable. Given this council's track record, why would anyone be so foolish as to go along with that process? They can't even figure out how to pay the city's current debts or provide adequately for essential public safety services that would benefit everyone! If people are foolish enough to pass Measure "Z", they will lose any of the leverage needed to compel the council to provide a detailed plan and hold them to it. As the current language in Measure "Z" stands, the council can use the revenue for just about anything they want simply by declaring it is somehow "related" to the parks. Do you really want to pay for more bureaucracy; more fat salaries, benefits and perks? Because if you pass this tax, that is what you will very likely get. John Lloyd has been "shopping" for a paid city postion since before incorporation.
Constant Comment October 29, 2012 at 04:36 PM
Isn't "CRONYISM AND CORRUPTION" the names of the two new crimefighters that rode into town??? }~)


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