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Bicyclist Struck, Killed on Grand in Lakeland Village

The crash occurred about 4:50 p.m., according to a resident who reported the crash to Patch.

A bicyclist was fatally injured Wednesday when struck by a vehicle in Lakeland Village, according to witnesses.

Area resident Christopher Morgan told Patch he came upon the crash while driving home.

The crash occurred near the corner of Grand Avenue and Baldwin Boulevard, Patch learned.

The vehicle was a pickup truck, Morgan said.

An hour after the crash, the mangled bicycle could be seen outside the All American Appliance service store.

According to David Scranton, who lives down the street from where the crash occurred, he heard a loud noise as he sat in his living room.

"I didn't hear no brakes or anything," Scranton told Patch.

"It was a loud 'bam.'"

Looking out his door, Scranton saw a smashed bicycle and then, farther down the street, saw a man lying in the road.

He called emergency dispatchers, then walked to the man, phone in hand.

"I put my hand on his chest while I was on the phone with 911 and … I could feel a heartbeat but no breath at all," he said.

Morgan said that medics worked on the injured man unsuccessfully, declaring him dead at the scene.

"Witnesses at the scene saw the bicyclist enter the lines of traffic quickly, leaving no time for the driver of the pickup truck to avoid the collision," Morgan wrote to Patch in an email.

The cause of the crash -- as is policy -- was under investigation.

The California Highway Patrol could not immediately be reached for comment.

LBV Collins August 03, 2012 at 02:15 PM
Nice comment, Cletus! Well written and informative. (Now if you really want to enter the fray, try leaving an opinion on one of the more controversial articles, like Chick-fil-A.) ;)
UCLA Grad August 03, 2012 at 05:19 PM
Thanks for the reminder Mirna. I am new here at patch.com. Created my account yesterday, posted my opinion on a story, hoping to stimulate an interesting discussion. Instead, I was attacked for it. I did a little digging on these boards and discovered that the flamer "most" responsible for the initial derailing of this thread, actually makes it a habit of spreading negativity throughout these forums and attacking others simply because of a difference of opinion. I apologize for my participation in the flame war that ensued and will do my part in the future to treat others with respect and dignity.
WorkingMom August 03, 2012 at 06:01 PM
The guy had a heart beat, but was probably with severe TBI. To do CPR an a stranger with that kind of an injury would put you at risk, because as it is said there is a risk for the responder. No one knew his history. I can guantee the EMS people wore gloves before they touched him. They teach CPR with shields for a reason. Give these people a break. An AED and chest compressions would have done nothing if he had a heart beat. Breathing for this man probably wouldn't had saved him. Did he have a helmet on?
Mirna Alfonso (Editor) August 03, 2012 at 06:19 PM
Coroner's File #: 2012-06523 Last Name: Dettloff Gender: Male First Name: Harry Age: 46 Years City of Residence: Lake Elsinore Next of Kin Notified: Yes Date of Death: 08/01/2012 Time of Death: 1708 Hours Date of Injury: 08/01/2012 Time of Injury: 1640 Hours Location of Death: Roadway, Grand Ave., 257 ft. N/O Baldwin Ave. Lake Elsinore, CA 92530 Location of Injury: Roadway, Grand Ave., 257 ft. N/O Baldwin Ave. Lake Elsinore, CA 92530 Agency Investigating: CHP – Temecula Investigation #: NCIC 9685 Comments: Bicyclist that was struck by pickup truck while crossing roadway.
Nancy August 03, 2012 at 06:24 PM
Dear God: Please bless this man and his family. You see and know every thing and I place all my sorrows in Your care; the sorrows of this world are too much for me to handle, but I can pray for them all. Please, people who post, would you consider leaving your own opinions and judgements of others zipped and look within and think about how you could personally help in any tragedy like this; time and words need to be spent on solutions, not the problems. Learn from this and improve your own self to better serve humanity and animals. Something to think about if you are willing.
Teller of Truth August 03, 2012 at 06:28 PM
This man was Mr. Harry Dettloff. He was 46 years old from Lake Elsinore. He was struck from behind by a 60 year old distracted driver that veered slightly off the road. He was thrown from his bicycle. This could have contributed to getting the air knocked out of him or causing injuries to that affect. I don't personally know. A boy stopped to help. He called 911 & was apparently put on hold. Mr Dettloff had a heartbeat at this time but was not breathing.Probably being thrown so far was the reason for having the air knocked out of him. No efforts to give him the breath of life were given at that time. The medics showed up minutes later. They worked on him for 20 minutes. They pronounced him dead at the scene. The boy that stopped, his mother reports that the officer at the scenes' comment was: "you dialed 911, who did you think you called, a doctor?" There was no mention of a helmet that I could find.
Teller of Truth August 03, 2012 at 06:30 PM
Nancy, VERY WELL SAID!
Heidi Golgart-Hastings Ward August 03, 2012 at 06:32 PM
Thanks for the update Teller. In the 10 years I have been out in Elsinore, I have been LESS than impressed with our police force. They seem very shallow minded and really only concerned about themselves. I have been told by an officer, who I had sent to my house, that the incident did not warrant a report and therefore he was not going to file one. Later on I had to make a similar call and well there wasn't much I could do to prove this was my second call in regards to this case because the first call really didn't exist. I could go on and on about shady incidents with our police force but that is off topic. My point is, we need to help each other out because we cannot rely on the police to help us!
Jason EHS '99 August 03, 2012 at 06:48 PM
The man WAS alive when medical help arrived. Again i will state, if one doesn't know how to properly perform cpr they most likely will do more harm than good if they attempt to do so. Im not talking about a broken rib. Im talking about crushing his cheat cavity and smashing the mans heart. Or over expanding the mans lungs. Ive seen it happen severar times watching someone attemp to save someone and actur kill them instead. I know david scranton. Hes my cousin. Jamie is his mother. And i can assure you that david feels crappy that he couldnt do more to help this man. To the one who said something about grand not being safe for bike riders, your right, it isnt safe. And the law that says you must ride with traffic is BS. I NEVER ride with traffic. Never have never will. I ALWAYS ride against traffic. I want to see if there is a car comin at me so i can try to move outta the way. And yea there is a crosswalk in front of ly's gas station. Problem is that its only 2 parallel white lines. Theres no aign indicating that its there in any direction
Diana August 03, 2012 at 06:55 PM
How cruel and vicious some can be, in a time of life threatening situations everyone panics, it is sad that no one stepped up to provide this man with CPR but on the flip side he should not be made out to be some kind of bad person because he didn't provide CPR. I don't understand how people can be so cold and cruel towards someone because he didn't know CPR and didn't feel confident to try, give him a break.
Sam Sandoval August 03, 2012 at 07:06 PM
Comming from someone that was actually there, Scraton was told to NOT do CPR on the man. He landed in such a manner that they feared moving him would cause further injury. The fire dept. is a few blocks away and by the time I drove there to get them they were on their way, ten min tops. It took three of them to turn him over stabillly. The injury to the head was so severe there was not much that could have been done unfortunately. Had he been wearing a helmet chances of surviving would have been much greater and I think that is the best lesson we can take away from this.
Teller of Truth August 03, 2012 at 07:08 PM
No one is condemning this boy. This is an open forum so that OTHERS can learn from what has already transpired. No one can really say if anyone might have stopped that actually would have performed mouth to mouth, had they not thought that he was being properly attended to. Its a learning lesson for all that read it.
Diana August 03, 2012 at 07:12 PM
Jason, on both sides of Grand this cross walk there was signs with a flashing light to alert drivers of the cross walk, I believe that they were removed just recently due to the construction crews preparing this same corner for a traffic light. The crosswalk is deceiving because there is a bus stop right there also, it is hard to tell if people are waiting to cross the road or waiting for a bus, they should of put this crosswalk by Circle K that seems to be the area where there are the most accidents.
jill smith August 03, 2012 at 07:12 PM
I agree with you Diana, sometimes you read these comments, and your heart hurts.
jill smith August 03, 2012 at 07:15 PM
We know, and thank god your son helped this man and called 911.
Teller of Truth August 03, 2012 at 07:20 PM
To Sam, The article said that Mr. Scranton had told the 911 operator that Mr. Dettloff was NOT breathing. You said that the Fire Dept. got there in 10 minutes tops. I could be wrong but I would think that restoring an airway to a human, trumps any further injury that turning him might cause? How long can a human go without breathing ? I agree about the wearing a helmet. Respectfully, having been there, what do you think?
Constant Comment August 03, 2012 at 07:51 PM
I can't see who is being cruel & vicious here? Everyone panics? Not so! I guarantee that people who have been around this before,a nurse, in the war, in a catastrophe, in east Compton,are so used to it, they don't panic! You don't have to be CPR certified to blow air into someones lungs. Putting all anger aside, how would you feel if it were your own child lying there & no one blew in her mouth? (Heaven forbid & I'm NOT wishing that on anyone) I believe that this poor fellow was prejudged, plain & simple.Maybe a person that did know what to do and would actually do it...even without a shield.....just kept on driving because he thought that this poor fellow was already being taken care of? Don't stop & act like your going to help if your not actually willing/able to do so. He could have called from afar. i guess we'll never know who could have stopped but simply kept on going. I for one would have not stopped because i would expect that everything that could be done was being done by those that did stop, and that it was all under control. Sadly that wasn't the case here, for more than one reason. It was a collection of errors.
Sam Sandoval August 03, 2012 at 07:54 PM
There were three people on the phone with 911 at the scene. The one talking to Sranton did put him on hold and transferred him however the other callers were being advise not to move him. He had a faint pulse but no breath if that makes sense. A nurse was on the scene as well and she did not turn him either but tried to stop the bleeding. The head injury was about a two by eight inch gouge and I don't want to be grousome but he was in all honesty deceased already. It was very traumatic but I felt compelled to respond to the CPR comments cause I know so many people there wanted to help but sadly nothing could be done.
Teller of Truth August 03, 2012 at 08:05 PM
THANK YOU SAM SANDOVAL. I appreciate your update & opinions. Kind puts the entire scene into a new perspective now. All the questions are now answered that probably should have been addressed in the original article.(I know they're in a RUSH to get the story out.) Thank you for your honesty and in clearing this up.
Sam Sandoval August 03, 2012 at 08:50 PM
I never comment on these things but felt I had some info to offer so glad to do it.
Constant Comment August 03, 2012 at 08:55 PM
Thanks Sam S. Your input certainly put a whole new slant on things. I wish the Patch could do their investigations more complete.
Susimom August 03, 2012 at 10:07 PM
I am a retired nurse and still a first responder. There is NO way I would do CPR without a shield/ guard. There isn't a medical center in all the land that would allow the staff to preform CPR without protection. I has nothing to do with judging people, but I wouldn't put my life on the line for anyone but my family. I also wouldn't pick up needles that I saw lying in the ground. I wouldnt treat anyone without protective gloves and face shield. I will however, do whatever I can to treat people without risking my own health. That's just comment sense.
Constant Comment August 03, 2012 at 10:46 PM
SUSIMOM, Good thing that the medics out on the battlefield didn't have the same high standards as you! So I have a question for you;How would YOU feel if your child (Susie is it?) were in a (Heaven forbid) accident & she lay their (actually) dying because no body brought a face shield? I will stick around to wait for your answer......
Diana August 03, 2012 at 11:53 PM
CC: I do enjoy most of your posts but really, you need to let this go. Don't you think the young man that made the 911 call is already feeling it, come on. It is very unfortunate but other then the driver of that truck and the poor guy on the bike, there are no other responsible parties here, it was a very tragic accident.
Diana August 03, 2012 at 11:54 PM
@Jason, I paid attention to this crosswalk on my drive home and there clearly are signs designating that there is a cross walk here.
Teller of Truth August 04, 2012 at 12:30 AM
@Constant Comment, you probably won't be hearing anything back from her (Susiemom) because that would blow a hole through her double standards.
WorkingMom August 04, 2012 at 02:56 AM
TOT, seriously, what are you? I have been reading your post for a couple of stories now. Your posts start alot of stuff up. First off in your reply to me, I can read. My post is timed before the coroner's report. Second off, your safety, your family's safety, ect is always first before a strangers. No one new him. Third, like it was said, he was probably already braindead due to a TBI, so the CPR would had prolonged the suffering of all involved. If you worked in the healthcare field you would understand. Your postings are highly inappropriate and you are passing judgement on everyone that did the right thing. This all didn't happen in a course of hours. We are talking minutes.Why does everyone think that "if it were your kid" thrown in there would had changed anything. A man lost his life. Let's let him rest in peace now.
UCLA Grad August 04, 2012 at 05:13 PM
Thank you Sam for silencing the "Monday morning QB" once and for all. Your writing style appears as that of a first responder. If so, thank you for all that you do. @ WorkingMom, its a shame this forum isn't moderated for inappropriateness
Mirna Alfonso (Editor) August 04, 2012 at 06:36 PM
It is moderated and because of the inflammatory nature of the comments on this thread and others on this site, all comments will now be screened before posting.
Teller of Truth August 04, 2012 at 07:23 PM
Thank you Mirna!

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