400-Acre Development Project In Lake Elsinore Gets Green Light

Lake Elsinore City Council members are now scheduled to take up the proposal Nov. 13.

A subdivision featuring more than 1,000 homes, two commercial centers, two parks, a possible new school and fire station, got the approval of the Lake Elsinore Planning Commission Tuesday night.

In a 4-0 vote, commissioners adopted a resolution recommending that Lake Elsinore City Council approve a vesting tentative tract map that proposes a 400-acre development situated east of Lake Street called the “Alberhill Ridge Project.”

In order to allow the proposal to move forward, the commissioners also voted 4-0 to restate a development agreement between Castle & Cooke and the City of Lake Elsinore.

Plans by Castle & Cooke to develop the land have been on the table for nearly 22 years: An original development agreement was signed by the city and the company in 1990. At the time, the proposed development was grander in scale, including more homes and additional commercial space over a much larger land mass.

However, 600 acres of the original 998-acre plan were subsequently sold to the County of Riverside to be set aside as open space under the Multiple Species Habitat Conservation Plan.

Although the project has been downsized, there were concerns Tuesday night. Among them was one by Commissioner David Blake, who said potential homeowners and businesses in the proposed development need to be forewarned about noise generated by nearby mining operations.

Castle & Cooke is the parent company of the local mining firm Pacific Clay, which mines clay and aggregates within the city limits.

Commissioner Michael O’Neal also expressed concern about a lack of Transportation Uniform Mitigation Fees (TUMF) generated by the project. Under the development agreement, Lake Elsinore City Attorney Barbara Leibold confirmed the plan is exempt from TUMF because it’s a “new fee” that was not required back in 1990.

As a result, $20 million in TUMF fees that would have been collected will not be paid. TUMF fees are assessed on developers for the purpose of building and upgrading regional roadways.

Additionally, there were concerns by Lake Elsinore resident Sharon Gallina that the proposed 400-acre site has been contaminated by prior mining activities and is therefore subject to remediation, but Tom Tomlinson, senior vice president of Land Development for Castle & Cooke, said a Phase I environmental report commissioned by his company showed that was not the case.

“We’re not aware of any contamination issues,” Leibold confirmed.

It was requested Tuesday that Castle & Cooke provide its Phase I report to the city prior to Nov. 13 when the Lake Elsinore City Council decides whether it will accept the planning commission’s recommendation to move forward on the project.

Anthony October 17, 2012 at 04:46 PM
I like Daniel's idea but unfortunately its Riverside County controlled :( I live in this shit hole called LV with 2 roommates that exemplify the debauchery filth and lack of class in this area. But I have had enough! I am getting the fuck out of here ASAP. I would rather live in my car then to live with these drunk drug addicted classless idiots! Being here makes me feel devalued as a person.
"G" October 17, 2012 at 05:39 PM
I guess I misunderstood. I thought that since they were proceeding under the 1990 agreement which didn't allows for those types of fees to be attached to this building site, once LE Council realized they would be footing the bill for updating the roads for the increased traffic, "all" of LE would be paying for your little slice of Heaven. I'll read and comprehend better in the future.
Rose October 17, 2012 at 05:56 PM
I've been a Lakeland Village resident all 30 years of my life and not everyone that lives here is trash!! It has gotten really bad the last 5 years. I've had my house broken into, truck stolen and addict neighbors, that's within those 5 years. We need help cleaning up Lakeland. Be nice to get street lights etc.
Diana October 17, 2012 at 05:57 PM
Lake street traffic is unsafe, it is a two lane road that sees many cars, commuters from the 15FWY that use this road all the way to Grand, down Grand to Murrieta and Temecula, building 400 more homes in this area will bring Lake St. traffic to a stand still on this 2 lane road. Without the TUMF fees to widen this road from the 15 FWY to at least Mountain we are just asking for grid lock and accidents, it will be like every other road in LE that have not been upgraded or widened since the 30's.
Diana October 17, 2012 at 06:48 PM
Corruption is right, isn't there a statue of limitations on development agreements? 1990-2012 everything changes on 12 years and they are given the go ahead as if it was yesterday?
glasses October 17, 2012 at 07:08 PM
I drive lake 4x a day. Never have I been in grid lock traffic. Great thing about lake is everone moves. No one walks it because it leads to nowhere!
ron October 17, 2012 at 07:45 PM
People map out where the project is. Shut up with the nonsense and ignorance. This project will have no effect on most of you idiots in Elsinore or Lakeland slums. Think about how many unemployed Elsinoreans lol there are amongst you. You might me able to get off welfare and food stamps. 100's of jobs will be created with this project. So look it up map it out and see. Damn that's why Elsinore and slums are considered Hills have eyes.
Diana October 17, 2012 at 08:10 PM
@ron, you might want to rewrite your post you have huge typos and you make no sense, just sayin. Just curious where are the 100's of jobs going to come from for Lake Elsinore residents since usually construction companies come in from out of our area with their own crews?
Ken Mayes October 17, 2012 at 08:10 PM
Your right, jobs for about 9 months while their building and then about 2,000 more cars getting on the freeway at Lake St. every morning and off every evening because these people have to work somewhere where there are permanent jobs.
Gordan October 17, 2012 at 08:42 PM
It would be a different story if Lake Elsinore actually benefited from the TUMF fees, but the fact of the matter is WRCOG takes that money and spends it elsewhere like the 91 freeway, Wildomar and Murietta. That money can now be poured back into the development for better parks, fire station and school. Lots of cities in southwest Riverside don't even participate in TUMF because they are overlooked, just like LE. We need people on the city council that can get that money from WRCOG.... I'm sorry Magee... way too little... and way too late. And while I'm at it, what new businesses did Natasha bring in from ICSC in Vegas (for the last two years)? Lots of promises, but then again, talk is cheap!
ron October 17, 2012 at 08:47 PM
@Diana sorry for typos on my phone. Yes jobs would be temp. But that is normal construction. I took a temp job that was only going to be 3 weekslong, better than sitting on my ass. Have now been here 19 months and has turned into a 3 year contract. What's better a little more traffic building new homes, a school, a store which create long term jobs or doing nothing at all. For most probably doing nothing cause it would interfer with their drug use and alcoholic ways.
Diana October 17, 2012 at 09:29 PM
@Ron, creating jobs is a bonus no matter where with the economy the way that it stands. I personally welcome growth to this area it has been long over due, however housing is not my top priority beings that we already have so many empty houses in the area as it is. I personally would like to see some retail stores come in, this would definitely create jobs long term for people here. I have to agree that some here would rather sit on their backsides and collect the freebies that are handed to them but i'm sure that you know that not everyone here is either on drugs or alcohol, it just seems that way. We need a Trader Joe's, Kohl's, Michaels, TJ Max, Marshalls, Home Goods or any new place to dine, these would be great jobs for the community plus keep our sales tax in LE instead of everyone going our of town to shop. I guess the idiots from the planning department haven't figured it out yet. I still say it is wrong for Castle & Cook to be able to move forward on an agreement that was created in 1990, but rumor has it that they own our City officials so there you have it.
Daniel October 17, 2012 at 10:02 PM
It is sad that they approved this project. Castle and Cooke haven't finished the ALBERHILL Ranch project it dotted with empty lots everywhere.
Ken Mayes October 17, 2012 at 10:33 PM
Diana You need to wash your eyeballs. Its over 1,000 homes on less than 400 acres more like 300 acres by the time you factor in the land set aside for 2 commercial developments, 2 parks, a fire station and a school. This is going to lead to a population density of around 6,400 persons per sq. mi. This is called sustainable development which is why the city is not concerned about TUMF fees. You can live, shop and play in one area the problem being retail workers don't make enough money to buy a home in this development so someone is going to have to travel out of the area for a decent paying job.
Teller of Truth October 17, 2012 at 10:39 PM
KEVWILD has stolen my name. He has hijacked about 5 others. Please join me in complaining to Toni about this! Lets restore the Patch back to being intellectual instead of just feeding into one loney, lying, cyber bully. Call Toni @ 951-265-6430 and express how you feel! Thank you.
Diana October 17, 2012 at 10:39 PM
Ken, Whatever, you are the rudest poster on here. BTW, my bad, my eyeballs are just fine thanks!
julian October 18, 2012 at 01:13 AM
They should be required to gift 75 acres to the city for a community college. Just my opinion.
JMO October 18, 2012 at 09:28 AM
Why There isnt enough ppl in that town to pass a home loan.dont we have enough empty housing?
julie dawson October 18, 2012 at 11:37 AM
Ken sustainable development == Agenda 21.
Ken Mayes October 18, 2012 at 02:55 PM
Julie Dawson Never mind Agenda 21, the state of California has forced every city to adopt a sustainability plan or face the loss of state revenues. This requires all cities to start packing 10 pounds in a five pound bag.
Linda Ridenour October 18, 2012 at 06:28 PM
I take offence to calling my home " a dirty little wold". My husband and I try everyday to make a deference. How did we go from a development in Lake Elsinore to bashing my home. Lets get back on topic. I would like to see a new environmental study since the old one is 22 years old. I would like to know where the open space is?.
Linda Ridenour October 18, 2012 at 07:03 PM
I am sorry you feel that way. Why don't you turn in these bad people? Then there would only be good hard working people here. Why should 2 people cause you to move. You are more important . Stand your ground and kick them out.
Katheryn October 18, 2012 at 07:13 PM
This topic is about Lake Elsinore not Lakeland Village. Linda is correct when she wants a new environmental study, a 22 year old study is outdated. The builders plans are questionable look online at Addendum IV CEQA which is full of all kinds of inaccurate information. There is a golf course noted in the Multiple Species Habitat Land. I believe the Lake Elsinore Planning Commission is out of line giving a developer a 20 million dollar exemption. Look at all the changes they have made to the general plan in the last 20+ years. 20 million dollars would build a lot of roads and more in Lake Elsinore. I don't believe the people on the planning commission are that stupid, so what are they doing? Do things change depending on who asks for something from the Planning Commission. Please watch the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m_HypxyudI
Gordan October 18, 2012 at 08:01 PM
The Planning Commission only makes recommendations to the City Council. Lets see how they vote on this. And "Gordan" IS my real name. What's yours?????
Max H October 21, 2012 at 10:43 PM
That filth land Lakeland village gives lake elsinore such a bad name. It's like a ghetto in a third world country. Put a fence or wall separating the two cities. If the residents of that dump took pride or care ( also had actual jobs and contributing members of society) it wouldn't be so bad. It's a shame drivers have to see it coming down the 74
KevWild October 21, 2012 at 11:08 PM
: First of all Wildomar IS "a dirty little world" but we like it that way! Linda, if you want anyone to ever take you seriously, you should invest in a dictionary. "Offence" is spelled OFFENSE & "deference" is spelled DIFFERENCE. Even with my high school education, I know how to spell that! Geeze!
WHAT?? October 23, 2012 at 02:23 AM
The City of Lake Elsinore has never attempted to annex Lakeland Village. Re the proposed Castle and Cooke development, if it is approved with conditions as reported in this article, Lake Elsinore residents have the right to file an appeal. Sheryl Ade
Alicia the Color Guard Advisor October 24, 2012 at 03:55 PM
I am confused, they are talking about opening a new school but do not have the funds for the ones that have closed down? I guess the mello roo's are going to pay for that school's teachers, ground keepers, security? Just wondering.
Constant Comment November 09, 2012 at 11:12 PM
LER, do you actually think that re-posting the same thing 5 times in one thread , makes it any more believable? Everyone can see how thats working out for you here! }~)
Reverend Smith December 22, 2012 at 03:14 AM
The houses will get a better kind of resident by providing that conservation space. The builder would have crammed in as many houses as possible and it would have attracted more of the kind of residents every city already has too many of.


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