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Marijuana Advocates Bring Anti-Prohibition Message To The Diamond

The free meeting was a kickoff to a campaign underway to allow medical marijuana facilities inside the city.

In what was billed as a town hall meeting, nearly 70 people turned out Thursday night at The Diamond Club in Lake Elsinore to hear advocates talk about marijuana.

Hosted by Lake Elsinore resident Wayne Williams, founder of We The People, the free meeting was a kickoff to a campaign underway designed to let voters decide if they want medical marijuana facilities inside their city.

Williams has filed a Notice of Intent to circulate a petition and is now in the signature-gathering phase. His initiative seeks to amend Chapter 17.156 of the Lake Elsinore Municipal Code to license and regulate medical marijuana dispensaries.

If Williams can garner enough valid signatures, the issue would be put to Lake Elsinore voters during a 2013 special election.

According to the petition (see attached), Williams’ initiative would allow the licensing of three dispensaries for every 50,000 residents and the facilities would only be allowed to open in commercial or manufacturing zoning. Persons under 21 would not be allowed on dispensary premises, and the facilities would not be allowed within 1,000 feet of schools.

The initiative would also impose the following fees payable to the city: (1) an application fee of $2,500; (2) an annual license fee of $5,000; and (3) a permit fee of 8 percent of gross revenue paid quarterly.

Per the initiative, a three-member community oversight committee would be formed to oversee the dispensaries.

Guest speaker Neill Franklin, a retired Maryland police officer, told the crowd he began to think differently about America’s “War on Drugs” policy after seeing firsthand the fight’s cost in terms of money and lives. He said he watched cops and innocents get killed and communities and families ripped apart by the fight during his law enforcement career.

“It was the violence that caused me to turn 180 degrees,” he said. “It was all about the money. The War on Drugs is counterproductive to public safety.”

Franklin, who now serves as executive director of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, said the alternative is education and ending “the mess of prohibition.”

No one at Thursday’s meeting spoke out against marijuana, however Lake Elsinore Unified School District governing board member Jeanie Corral was present for part of the meeting.

She said she’s seen firsthand young lives destroyed by drug use.

“I don’t like it,” she said. “I can’t get behind this.”

Steve June 30, 2012 at 01:42 AM
what is your f***ing problem why don't you grow some and quit pickin on womens, first melendez and now Diana you got mommy issues or what
Steve June 30, 2012 at 02:34 AM
OMG you are Hyland
Last Resort June 30, 2012 at 07:12 AM
I met Jeanie Corral on my in to this meeting, she was leaving. We spoke for a minute, she said she had heard enough and that the people who were speaking were arrogant. What a shame that we have such a closed minded person in a position of any power. She didn't hear what the doctor had to say or any of the other outstanding information that was shared. When I told her that I needed this medication in order to live a productive life she didn't want to hear, she had already made up her mind before she walked in. Why even bother to come if you have no intention of really listening to what was being shared. Is this the person you want in charge of any part of education. I thought it was about learning new things and listening to other points of view? I will bet that if she and others could put there misinformed opinions aside for a few minutes and truly listen to the miracle of this drug, they would feel very differently about what is going on here.
Wayne Williams June 30, 2012 at 06:49 PM
TRUE for the unscrupulous operations that have sullied the industry. Diana, All excellent questions and concerns! The proposed ordinance was written to regulate the very unstable and socially unsatisfactory state of affairs that has come from conscienceless and exploitative vendors who have cause damage to the original intent of Proposition 215 due to the very lack of regulation(s) currently unattained by the state, county and postponed by the City of Lake Elsinore.
Wayne Williams June 30, 2012 at 06:52 PM
The regulation is not written to stop violence or encourage drug abuse. Those are societal and personal responsibly issues none of which have been attributed to the legitimate operations that allow safe access of medical marijuana products. This ordinance is written with this in mind: Safe For Patients. Safe For The Community. Local Control. If you have "nothing against medical marijuana dispensaries" and your review of the proposed ordinance satisfies your stated concerns there is a petition for waiting for you to sign. I would like to email you a copy of the ordinance and mail you DVD of the town all meeting to hear what Major Neill Franklin, director of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, and what the other panelist provided to the community.
Wayne Williams June 30, 2012 at 06:52 PM
Read the proposed ordinance and you will find statements establishing dispensary operation standards that not only comply but exceed both current California Compassionate Use Act and the California Attorney General guidelines. Article 17.156.150(9) of the ordinance specifically states rules for inventory accountability and recording. There are stringent licensing measures to keep unscrupulous vendors from operating in the community which is monitored and controlled by the City Manager. The ordinance not only specifies that state and city taxes are collected but an additional quarterly 8% of gross revenues be collected and used to fund vital Lake Elsinore community social services to be designated by a three member community oversight board. There are several more strong standards of compliance that are set to best serve dispensary operations and their patient clients as well to insure the highest regards for our community in which they will operate.
finicky picker June 30, 2012 at 09:20 PM
I would like a copy of the town hall meeting dvd
Super Woman June 30, 2012 at 09:35 PM
Take a look at the pictures basically look at their hair of Anita Drink ----- Diana ---- Tyra and now a new one called "hope" basically they are the same person and her comments are a joke. She rattles rattles rattles rattles using different names stating comments which are as fictitous as the day is long. 99% of her comments are a joke. In my opinion that is the turning point of the PATCH because between the 3 in one and Martha Bridges who wants to read all the rubbish and crap of which they come out with that is fictious. Their opinions just make you wonder. Question is that why many are turning away from the PATCH and letting those three be the commanders of which no one wants to read their stupid comments.
Wayne Williams July 01, 2012 at 03:11 AM
Thank you for the interest. Please send request to my email wethepeopleofelsinore@gmail.com and I would make arrangements to give you a copy.
Steve July 01, 2012 at 03:13 AM
why don't you post your picture on here, red poodle do right? The only thing that you post is how bad others post
Lakelife July 03, 2012 at 07:51 PM
Wayne, although you try to show you have good intentions,your dispensary along with every other one that was open NEVER followed the guidelines, rules, etc when it came to operating a NON PROFIT DISPENSARY. I was a patient off every dispensary and not one of them told me how the cannabis was obtained or grown. Nor, was I invited to see where it was grown, or invited in the harvesting of the cannabis. How can you all fight for a cause and not do it correctly! It's amazing. If you operated the dispensary the right way you would have an overwhelming support from the 1000's of patients signed up to your collective alone! But I know I speak for myself and many patients who make the attempt to use cannabis as form of pain relief instead of pharmaceutical drugs, but in the end its CHEAPER to pop pills then use cannabis. The prices are ridiculous! As a member of the collective I'm suppose to be able to grow it with you and divide it among the collective members for free! The only cost is in supplying the seeds and dirt! The members are suppose to be volunteering at the collective reception desk, ur not suppose to PAY strangers who need a job to do it! Greed isn't going to get you anywhere, that's why now you're nowhere.
Diana July 03, 2012 at 09:29 PM
420ready: It is refreshing to hear actual facts coming from a medical marijuana user that can share with us the other side of the dispensary. All of us that have been accused of being against medical marijuana since the beginning of posts you have just validated what we have been saying. While I believe that the ill have every right to obtains MJ for their illness I do not believe that the dispensaries have the right to get rich off of your need. Non-profit is just that and for any dispensary to succeed they must follow and aide by the letter of the law, until they do that they will continue to be turned down and shut down and the people in need will continue to suffer because of their greed.
Wayne Williams July 03, 2012 at 11:29 PM
You stated that you were a patient at every dispensary, the law specifically states you can only have 1 primary caregiver. this movement is a grassroots group and your input is very valuable to make it better. If you don't agree with the direction of the grassroots direction locally then join and provide us your better direction and we will follow. if you are provided the opportunity to make it better such as joining the local group with your vision and ignore the invitation, but decline and spend as much time blogging about what's wrong then it is completely on you. Your action with help improve the local movement not blogging. Your presence is requested to help. Thank you, Wayne.
Cat July 04, 2012 at 12:46 AM
That is kinda sad that Ms. Coral didn't stay to hear everyones point of view. I found it odd that "she said she's seen firsthand, young lives destroyed by drug use." Wouldn't that be drug 'mis'use? I don't think public officials should be narrow minded either.
One Voice July 04, 2012 at 01:45 AM
How is it possible that an open forum such as this can turn intelligent adults into immature children. Have you know idea of how you sound to others? Stooping so low as to lash out to anyone that disagrees with your view point, hurriedly typing your response so that yours is more hateful then the last. Brutally verbally slamming anyone that comes in with a new opinion. It is no wonder that it is only the same individuals that post on every article over and over and those that want to contribute an opinion are completely shut down by those posters that seem to control the forum. Are these the voices that represent the community of Lake Elsinore, projecting ugliness and contempt, these words clearly explain why the City is as it is.
Constant Comment July 04, 2012 at 02:27 AM
Hey One Voice, I just read your post under "Obama Care Upheld" and it is exactly word for word the same as this post. What's up with that?
Constant Comment July 04, 2012 at 02:36 AM
Pretty sure it would be 'ab'use.
Wayne Williams July 04, 2012 at 11:05 AM
Citizens now have the court decisions to request to have cities fulfill the voter's wishes, and if they are not met then their last resort will be to utilize the courts and ALL OF THE CASE LAW from the Federal Supreme Court down to the trial court to sue and compel the government. What do you call a government that undermines what it's citizens demand of it? The people voted this and the government spends $40 Billion a year to destroy the same people who voted this in. Watch Missouri Marijuana SWAT Raid on youtube. the police wounded his dog then chased down in kitchen and plugged the dog with 4-6 more shots then pulled with wife and little child out of bed all for less than a gram. FAILED DRUG POLICY
Reverend Smith July 05, 2012 at 05:39 AM
Diana sites the main problems there have been with "dispensaries" across the country. They seem to all deal primarily in cash which is easy to not account for in determining taxing, sales limits and for that matter, just what is being sold (read that "other regulated substances"). Knowing there is lots of cash at the location is a magnate for armed robbers. The news is full of "dispensaries" being robbed at gunpoint - sometimes resulting in gunfights since most "dispensary" owners and growers are heavily armed because they well know the risk they're in. And the bullets going through walls don't distinguish grower/seller from neighbor/passersby. The lobby typified by most of the crowd that showed up at the Diamond Club are more concerned about making a fast million than the safety and well being of their community, much less their "patients". And they work overtime to blur the issue of legalizing cannabis (which is the last thing they want because then who'd buy it) and regulating it's sale as any other drug (which is the second last thing they'd want because then it'd require a real prescription and be sold behind the prescription counter instead in their unregulated, practically untaxed dark alley "dispensaries".)
Roberto July 05, 2012 at 07:31 AM
If we are going to pretend MJ is beingused soley for medicinal purposes and there are a few who do in fact use pot for said use. How about having a doctor write you a presription, go to a pharamcy and then take it a capusle form for whatever it is that ails you instead of creating a bunch of tacky busineses the degrade property values even further.
Wayne Williams July 05, 2012 at 07:38 AM
Los Angeles Police Department and RAND Corporation both state no significant crime problems associated with dispensaries. http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_14206441, in fact I believe the LAPD stated that there is more crime associated with banks then dispensaries. #1 no increase in crime, #2 no access for minors, #3 regulated or local control, #4 safer alternative to prescription pills.
Reverend Smith July 05, 2012 at 07:43 AM
If I saw the drug dealer's ubiquitous pit bull coming at my cajones, I'd keep firing till it "plays dead" too. I sit sipping a glass of red wine before bed. I am done driving and working for the day. I may call it "medicine", but if I were to enter a roadside bar I doubt "patient" would accurately describe the typical "patron." And if I were to belly up to the bar and ask what kind of "medicine" they serve, I'd be the laughing stock of the house right up till I'm tossed into the back alley. Alcoholic beverages have been a mixed bag of sorrow and savior since some proto-human picked some rotting fruit and, despite the taste, kept going back for more. Then he invited his friends and you had the first bar. Certainly some kind of random discovery of cannabis took place as well. I think it only fair that cannabis sale has at least equal regulation as is applied to alcohol sales. Either that or, should you continue using words like "patient" and "medicine", it should be treated as a drug, sole in highly regulated drug stores only to doctor prescribed (real) patients. This sham only clouds the issues - which is what the 'green cross' crowd likes.
Wayne Williams July 05, 2012 at 07:46 AM
most patients can't afford Marinol (marijuana pill) at $1,800 per gram compared to the flower/edible/oil/tincture/topical cream at $45 per gram. Most people just can't afford it and I can't blame them for refusing to pay pharmaceuticals. $1,800 vs $45? http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000091
Wayne Williams July 05, 2012 at 02:49 PM
Reverend Smith (Diana?), shooting a retreating wounded dog is not the acceptable behavior that any law abiding citizen should tolerate. Because that behavior is not acceptable the Family is in a lawsuit with the city and police department and the captain was fired. As of 2012: 43 states have either laws on the books, lowest priority or pending legislation. Without dialogue, such as blogging, the social change could never of happened. You missed a great opportunity to appear at the town hall meeting last week where your valid opinions could of been asked with a microphone and in front of your community to a panel of law enforcement, moms, physician, lawyer, senior, veteran. Without your blogging our views would never had been heard so that the majority of California, American Medical Association, California Medical Association, NAACP, AARP, Pat Robertson could use common sense to provide a reasonable solution. The more blogging of your opinion fuels our message on the voyage of social change. Thank you for the fill-up.
Roberto July 05, 2012 at 04:25 PM
Did not know the pill form of MJ was so high (no pun) There still is no reason for MJ to not be sold by pharamcies instead of these side busineses.
Diana July 05, 2012 at 04:30 PM
Wayne, not sure why you categorized me with the Reverend? However you post that medical marijuana topical cream is $45 per gram, my girlfriend who has MS was a patient of one of the dispensaries when they were in operation on Grand Ave, the medical marijuana that she wanted to purchase was more on the $350 mark. She could not afford that and usually left there empty handed. I think that the earlier poster 420ready pretty much told it how it is to be a patient/ill person and his experience with the dispensaries. Do I think that dispensaries will continue to spend money and tie up the court systems with this matter, yes I do, but I also think that there are major issues that will come along with this after you have won in court. The truly ill that need medical MJ will get it without the dispensary if they really want and need it just like 420ready posted. I watched a documentary on medical MJ in Colorado and how they set it up with police monitoring inside the dispensary and so on, and even with all of this in place there is still a huge problem with dispensary owners. This issue in my opinion goes way beyond the right to just open a dispensary, there are regulations that need to apply and until all of those details are worked out I cannot see any community welcoming this with open arms.
Wildomar Resident July 05, 2012 at 04:52 PM
Put the same restrictions on this as we have on cigarettes and alcohol and then let it be sold in the same manner. Sales taxes are collected. Stores face the same fines/risks. Competition keeps prices in line. Prescriptions are a joke. If we start with the special permits and application fees, the City Of Wildomar will likely want to hire 3 people and rent more space, resulting in a net loss.
Lou Cypher July 30, 2012 at 02:45 AM
Meanwhile cigarettes are killing hundreds of thousands of people via cancer, and people are crashing their cars left and right while wasted. Yep, marijuana is definitely the problem.
26YearsInTown August 10, 2012 at 06:05 AM
Wildomar Resident has it right. Pot can be used for many reasons, just like alcohol and cigarettes. I've seen these dispensaries and they just look crappy. The production and sale of MJ shoud be taxed and regulated just the same as the cigs and alcohol (which kill people daily). For the state of California, it might even solve the budget deficit! The sale of MJ to people because they are "patients" is ridiculous. This industry could create untold numbers of jobs, and guaranteed revenue for the state. I think the whole dispensary thing is just too dependent on the participants morals and behavior. Let's Go Big or Go Home on this one, guys.
Paul August 21, 2012 at 01:37 PM
Some interesting comments here. I visited here to invite anyone interested to visit a comment debate that has been going on since July. We now have over 530 comments posted and growing daily. There are answers posted to many of the questions some of you are asking. And some of you may want to contribute to our discussion. The comments on this general subject on the Murrieta Patch are still continuing since July 8. There are now 530 comments thru Monday 8-20-12, mostly by persons trying to make well-informed comments as they see it. Many comments are by a staunch anti-pot crusader that thinks alcohol is OK but marijuana is terrible. There are many well-written rebuttals (I think). So you can read points on both sides of the issues. There are also several discussions of the evils of alcohol versus evils or blessings of marijuana. If you look at this link you have to wait a minute for it until the ads appear, then you can scroll down or quicker hit your "end" button then scroll up a ways to see the most recent comments. It seems to take longer to start up with so many comments. http://murrieta.patch.com/articles/atttorney-murrieta-not-affected-by-marijuana-dispensary-ruling

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