Poll: Should Congress Act on Gun Control, Answer Obama Call?

Buzlightyear aka marty January 10, 2013 at 03:42 am

So Steve you bring up the possiblility that Lynn and shane are the same person. Heshe, I wondered.
. Maybe. Or just a split personality. Dissociation is the medical term.....detatchment from immediate surroundings. or severe detatchment from physical and emotional reality. -----------All in fun here. No serious jab intended------------

mateo January 10, 2013 at 04:20 am

the nation is not changing to gun control laws .biden is pulling a nazi tatic . and how do you know that there will be two groups of pro gun people. and out of these two groups one is reasonable and the other one is not. your tactic of suggestion is bad you are the worst persuasive i have ever encountered. and how are you learning about the n.r.a. efforts to undermine public safety? lyn you are no change agent. there is no way the n.r.a. can forbid the b.a.t.f. from using there own computers to investigate illegal gun sales. the b.a.t.f. say jump the gun dealers say how high. lyn you lie and you are not even good at it. you hate to much and you are not very clever. do really think you will convince us of what you wrote up there.how can the n.r.a. cut funding to the b.a.t.f. marty he she i don't know but a liar YES

Steve Newman January 10, 2013 at 04:20 pm

#buzzlightyear-aka Marty- you hit the nail right on its warped head in describing Lyn, Shane, et al.

Lyn January 11, 2013 at 05:12 pm

The president of the NRA predicted that a ban on assault weapons would fail in Congress. Also, it was reported that the NRA membership has increased 100,000, in the wake of the Newtown massacre. I don't understand why the membership surge. Anyone care to explain the motivation to join the NRA at a time like this?

Steve Newman January 11, 2013 at 07:07 pm

Lyn- it's pretty simple- the NRA is the voice of gun owners and the white house /Congress, have made it abundantly clear they are going to try to effect gun ownership no matter what parts of the constitution they have to ignore. Wow all that in one breath-it's like the Democratic Party having a surge in membership before the election of Barak Hussien Obama. Same theory, increase numbers, increase representation. Test to follow.

Shane January 11, 2013 at 11:24 pm

Tea Party Steve. Here are the points the White House wants to change. Assault rifles. Large clips with over ten rounds. Background checks on every gun transaction. A mental health data base.
WTF!!! The NRA does little for its members but they do represent gun manufacturers. More than half of gun owners agree with these laws. Even the strictest Supreme Curt judge says the Second Amendment isn't open ended for all weapons. .....GIVE UO YOUR GUNS OR WE WILL SEND IN THE UN TROOPS!!! ROFLMAO

Lyn January 11, 2013 at 11:55 pm

Steve I don't understand your logic or analogy to the last election. My theory is the NRA continues to scare gun owners by insinuating that the government is out to take away their guns, which doesn't appear to be the case. Sounds like you believe the NRA propaganda. One thing you won't be accused of is being sophisticated.

mateo January 12, 2013 at 12:16 am

lyn the people like the n.r.a. the people see government taking a position to ban gun's. we have all been educated in history and how government has tried to take the guns in the pass. and this is why the n.r.a. membership has increased by 100,000 in less than a month.again you ask why? it's because people like you and your lies and your hate. people see you exploiting the blood of these children for your political views. and shane how do you know steve is a member of the tea party do have facts to back it up???

Vic January 12, 2013 at 12:41 am

All due respect, Lyn, the NRA doesn't have to try to "scare gun owners". Even if the NRA hadn't said a word, the question of what the government is going to do or not do about gun control has been foremost in peoples' minds since Newtown. It doesn't take much to get people worried about their rights. It wouldn't be the first time a government has overstepped it's bounds if they choose to take this to the extreme.

Lyn January 12, 2013 at 02:10 pm

Sorry, entertaining the notion that the U.S. government would try to take away peoples guns ignores the political realities and borders on paranoia. The majority of Americans are pro-gun. We need some common sense restrictions on weapons and ideas to stem causes of violent behavior, which is what Vice President Joe Biden is attempting to do. Biden is listening to all stakeholders including NRA, video game/movie producers, gun control, hunters, etc. The Obama administration is attempting to hear all sides of this complicated issue. Politics is the art of compromise. If politicians aren't willing to compromise we risk gridlock. Just look overseas to see examples of opponents who won't compromise.

Vic January 12, 2013 at 03:12 pm

Agreed. I was addressing the point you made about the NRA being the 'source' of the fear that's been generated. I don't think that's true. That being said, you're right about parties having to work together to reach a compromise.

Steve Newman January 12, 2013 at 05:39 pm

Knew you couldn't leave it alone- you prove my point of needing the attention. All those proposals are already in effect in Cal- so it would be nothing new-it is some of the other states who might have a problem. A mental health data base is only as good as the info input-like you for example. And please make certain you are leading the UN troops when they come to take my weapons.

Steve Newman January 12, 2013 at 05:43 pm

You don't understand the analogy of voter registration pushes to see your candidate win, and the membership drives to increase NRA membership so gun owners have the numbers to contest this anti gun frenzy. How does representation sound. And you obviously have not been listening to joe bite Me-they are out to outlaw assault weapons and semi auto pistols.

Steve Newman January 12, 2013 at 05:47 pm

The Obama admin is putting on a dog and pony show with these meetings. Biden already said the the President can will do whatever he has to do, irregardless of congress. I;E; executive privelege-heard of those. And you accusing me of not being sophisticated- the pot calling the kettle black. What a boorish snob you are- and little Jeffie too.

mateo January 12, 2013 at 06:22 pm

we don't need compromise we need preservation. like i said you anti gun people are taking advantage of these dead children. to push your anti gun agenda. lyn you are like a witch feeding on the blood of these children.

Vic January 14, 2013 at 03:02 pm

I'm not a gun fan but I found this video clip eye opening. Puts a whole new light on things when they put an assault rifle up against a shot gun used for hunting...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0o7YgiTFm4&feature=player_embedded

Shane January 14, 2013 at 04:03 pm

Steve Newman, you are the one who has a demented mind, and after the comments you have made to me are not at all sophisticated. You have used second hand information, which was never true to attack me at all levels. Gun Control is needed and we need to remove the extended clips and ammunition for assault rifles. We will get those along with gun registration, background checks and hopefully fingerprinting all gun sales.
What Stevie do you get out those camys you wore forty years ago and stand in front of the mirror with your semi-automatic weapon and think about shooting government agents from your second floor.......all fantasy drummed up by yet more conservative organizations trying to get at your money. You mean to tell me Freedom Works didn't get enough of it??? You live in a cowardly fantasy world. You should spend more time with your family, dont you think, then attacking anyone online. Remember that little lady that needs your energy, NOT Bob Kowell.

Steve Newman January 14, 2013 at 05:37 pm

Jeff Kleiner- I attack you on all levels-how by pointing out that you have multiple personalities as is evidence by your many alter egos on the patch? That is presenting the facts- something you libturds are not familiar with. I have worn my camos more recently than 40 years ago. I was a proud member of the Cal Natl guard after I left active duty-which is more than the cowardly Jeff Kleiner can say. He can only pretend to be a man hiding behind his keyboard at his vast pueblo de Kleiner in Escondidio. As far as my looking out my second story window for the "bad" guys, that would be you Jeffie. I know you would never show because that would take huevos, which you don't have. And I do believe you and Lyn are the same person. Posts are too close together and sound the same. Oh there I go again being aggressive0 legs weak yet, you los.

Lyn January 14, 2013 at 05:50 pm

The youtube video you cite is of a pro-gun enthusiast, not a very objective source of information. I really don't understand your point, except both weapons are designed to kill efficiently.

Lyn January 14, 2013 at 06:06 pm

Good article in Sunday L.A. Times on how the current system to screen gun buyers is deeply flawed with holes big enough to drive a semi through. More than half the states have not submitted any mental health records to the federal data base. It is estimated 2million mental health records are not in the federal data base. Also, current law does not require private gun sales ( 40% of total gun sales) to be screened through the data base. The NRA made it tougher for the states to comply by successfully lobbying for a 2007 law that requires an appeals process for mentally ill to have their guns restored. I think it is important that a fee on gun sales and ammunition be established to support all of the data collection and screening and any improved public security. It is unfair for the general public to have to support those who want to own guns. There is a price for everything.

Steve Newman January 14, 2013 at 06:44 pm

In California, there is a fee charged on every gun transaction through a licensed dealer. And all legal gun sales between private parites must go through a licensed dealer. So your numbers may be valid for other states, but as I stated before, those Gun control rules are already in effect in Cali and they didn't help in Taft did they. If States continue to protect the mentally ill and not report them to the data base, then what do you get- garbage in, garbage out.

Vic January 14, 2013 at 06:45 pm

The point of the video is to show how the hunting shotgun can do more damage in a little over three seconds than the semi-automatic sporting or "assault rifle" can do in 33 seconds. All guns these days are semi-automatic unless you have to physically reload after every shot. So where do we draw the line?

Lyn January 14, 2013 at 09:54 pm

Vic, your talents are wasted. Please get your research to the military so they can switch out their AR15s for shotguns. Who knew but Vic.

Lyn January 14, 2013 at 09:54 pm

This isn't a state issue. It's a federal issue. We need more fees on guns and ammo to support all the work going into keeping us safe from those with guns, whether it be accidental, criminal, mentally ill, etc. The solution to gun violence isn't isolated laws. The research shows that gun violence declines when you have a holistic approach; gun control, screening, training, etc. But the NRA opposes any and all restrictions on guns. The NRA leadership is out of step with it's own members on reasonable restrictions which tells me the NRA's real constituents are the gun manufacturers and sellers. $$$$$.

Vic January 15, 2013 at 01:54 am

Nice reponse, 'Lyn'. No wonder everone thinks you're Shane. Hmmm.... I believe they're pushing gun control for civilians, not the military. I could be wrong, tho. You're so much more perceptive than me! (SARCASM! WHO KNEW???)

mateo January 16, 2013 at 05:12 am

marty and geoff and steve. go to youtube and check out this video (disney's1943 reason and emotion) and you can see through lynns crap. she is just like joseph goebbels hitler's propaganad minister. working people up emotionally to push gun law's.it's a shame

Shane January 16, 2013 at 01:31 pm

Mateo, what kind of BS do you preach?? Joesph Goebbels, Hitler's propaganda minster?? You mean the regime in Germany that killed over one million Jewish children two million Jewish women and three million Jewish men? Thats your comparison Mateo to Lyn?? The lady who is trying to alert people to the approximately 30,000 US deaths due to firearms in the US each year.
In 2007 according to the Centers for Disease Control Faststats and the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control WIQARS Leading Causes of Nonfatal Injury Reports: 48,676 people were intentionally shot who survived. 18,610 people were unintentionally shot who survived. 17,352 suicides (intentionally shot themselves who died) 12,632 criminal firearm deaths (killed in a crime by guns) This does not include deaths of people intentionally or unintentionally shot for legal reasons (Like the police shooting a suspect). The above total is 97,270 people shot in the US in 2007. About a third (29984) died, and it is likely that the total number of Americans shot is at least 100,000 given that all types of gunshot injuries/deaths are not included. In the US, every day during 2007, about 266 Americans were shot. Every day, a third of them (82 daily) died. 83 PEOPLE EVERYDAY DIE FROM GUNSHOTS IN THE US MATEO!!!!! 83 EVERY DAY!!! Lyn good job!! There had to be a first state to make gay marriage legal. Yesterday New York set up the strongest gun safety laws! MORE WILL COME!

Shane January 16, 2013 at 01:32 pm

Mateo, what kind of BS do you preach?? Joesph Goebbels, Hitler's propaganda minster?? You mean the regime in Germany that killed over one million Jewish children two million Jewish women and three million Jewish men? Thats your comparison Mateo to Lyn?? The lady who is trying to alert people to the approximately 30,000 US deaths due to firearms in the US each year.
In 2007 according to the Centers for Disease Control Faststats and the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control WIQARS Leading Causes of Nonfatal Injury Reports: 48,676 people were intentionally shot who survived. 18,610 people were unintentionally shot who survived. 17,352 suicides (intentionally shot themselves who died) 12,632 criminal firearm deaths (killed in a crime by guns) This does not include deaths of people intentionally or unintentionally shot for legal reasons (Like the police shooting a suspect). The above total is 97,270 people shot in the US in 2007. About a third (29984) died, and it is likely that the total number of Americans shot is at least 100,000 given that all types of gunshot injuries/deaths are not included. In the US, every day during 2007, about 266 Americans were shot. Every day, a third of them (82 daily) died. 83 PEOPLE EVERYDAY DIE FROM GUNSHOTS IN THE US MATEO!!!!! 83 EVERY DAY!!! Lyn great job!! There had to be a first state to make gay marriage legal. Yesterday New York set up the strongest gun safety laws! MORE WILL COME!

Lyn January 16, 2013 at 08:06 pm

Today President Obama signed 23 executive orders to crack down on gun criminals, expand access to mental health services and make our schools safer. He also laid out the crucial priorities that we’ll be fighting for in the months ahead -- priorities that will save lives, including:
Fixing our broken background check system and requiring a background check for ALL gun sales. -Getting assault weapons and high-capacity magazines off our streets. -Making gun trafficking a federal crime with tough penalties for offenders. -Funding public research on gun violence and gun crime that will make law enforcement more efficient and effective. Of course we know what to expect from the NRA. More denial, high pressure lobbying of congress and repeating their tragic and flawed logic regarding guns.

mateo January 17, 2013 at 03:23 am

shane you big dummy!!!!!! joseph goebbels pulled the same crap that lyn is. and it has nothing to do with killing jew's. it's propaganda used when hitler rose to power. like banning gun's and other things this is the point in am trying to make. cant you see that you knuckle head. the telling of lies to the people emotional then come to fix it with ,problem ,reaction, solution, are you and lynn so foolish that you can't see that. and lynn you are so weak that you need shane to back you up when you loose. you are the the great intellect of the patch. sorry the great joseph gobbels of the patch. lyn remember PROFESSING TO BE WISE THEY HAVE BECOME FOOL'S