Teachers Shouldn't Carry Guns In Classrooms, Riverside County Lawmaker Says

"Our schools should be safe, positive environments, and having guns under teachers' desks or in closets not only sends the wrong message to our children," said newly elected Mark Takano.

The shooting rampage carried out by a young man who killed 20 Connecticut schoolchildren and six adults before killing himself does not justify arming teachers with guns, which would send "the wrong message" to kids, a Riverside-area lawmaker said today.

Mark Takano, recently elected to represent California's newly established 41st congressional district, released a statement responding to comments by Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, who on a Sunday television talk show argued for arming school officials to prevent the type of massacre that occurred Friday at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown.

Gohmert suggested that if Hook's principal -- among the first of gunman Adam Lanza's victims -- had had immediate access to a firearm, she could have used it to "take his head off before he can kill those precious kids," instead of lunging "heroically (at the shooter) with nothing in her hands."

Takano said that, as a teacher of nearly 25 years, he was "appalled" by Gohmert's comments.

"Our schools should be safe, positive environments, and having guns under teachers' desks or in closets not only sends the wrong message to our children, but puts their lives in danger the minute they enter school grounds, as every child would become a potential victim of a gun accident," the Democratic lawmaker said.

"We should be teaching our children that gun violence is never a way to settle differences and does not solve problems," he said.

Gohmert said Sunday that wherever concealed-carry gun laws are liberalized, there's a corresponding drop in crime. Published studies on the subject differ, however.

In the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Congress passed -- and then- President George W. Bush signed -- a law permitting properly trained and thoroughly vetted airline pilots to carry handguns aboard their flights for self-defense. According to the Federal Flight Deck Officers' Association, which represents armed commercial aviators, more than 10,000 members are qualified to carry guns onto their planes. To date, none have had to use them.

The 1990 federal Gun Free School Zones Act mandates that pistols and rifles must be locked in a case within 1,000 feet of a K-12 campus, with exceptions for law enforcement and concealed-weapons licensees. Violating the law is a felony.

Since it went into effect, however, shootings have occurred on at least three-dozen K-12 campuses -- often with multiple victims -- throughout the country, most recently in Newtown.

JJ Mclure December 18, 2012 at 02:47 PM
the sucky teachers union would make sure guns were made by union workers
Roberto December 18, 2012 at 05:21 PM
Let's see armed trained staff and SOME teachers or call the police? What a bunch of spinmaster whiney liberals. And whil were at it, bring Chrismas back, Jesus Christ and a moment of of silence for prayer. Yes even deivil worshippers and Atheist can reflect.
The Irishman December 18, 2012 at 05:59 PM
HF, I like to think that I would be proactive in confronting a crazed individual threatening the lives of others. I hope I would. I could own a concealed carry permit. But even so, I don't believe I would carry it on my person in a school. I taught with some amazing teachers, all whom I would consider very brave. Yet I know none of them ever want to be put in a situation where they have to shoot someone. Their biggest fear is injuring someone else or accidentally killing someone else. Living with that reality the rest of their life could destroy them. Just food for thought. I wonder how the school community feels about arming teachers or administrators? I still propose & whole-heatedly support a law enforcement officer in every school. Better use of our tax dollars, for sure, plus the rewards of that kind of public service are substantial. Enjoy sharing our ideas. Irishman
The Irishman December 18, 2012 at 06:44 PM
JJ, You sound disgruntled. I'm guessing you are or were not pleased with your education or some of your teachers. I'm just curious, what do you recommend. I'm guessing you have some good viable ideas to share.
SA December 18, 2012 at 07:12 PM
The more normal citizens are allowed to carry arms the less we will see the horrific murderous crimes. School have always been targeted as the masses are vulnerable. Look up Our Lady of the Angels School Fire, it only took matches. I would love to see sane minded teachers armed; however our country is full of liberals, including the majority of teachers so we will never see armed teachers. Further, people should not be afraid of calling out a crazy student/child/person.
Tj December 18, 2012 at 08:52 PM
I agree with law enforcment officers in the schools. The only problem with that is lawmakers will say it cost to much(politics). I wil be willing to pay a few extra tax dollars to insure the safety of our children. Two federal gov should stay out of it and let state and local goverments handle it.
American Girl December 18, 2012 at 09:40 PM
Jerry Brown and the School districts are always leading all of us to think there is no money. Trust me, there is money. They just do not know how to spend it. There is a ton of waste in the school system, none of the money is ever wasted in the classroom though. Its wasted by all the other depts. I could walk in our district and find enough money to put security at 10 schools today!!! I know I could. Its crazy what they blow money on.
American Girl December 18, 2012 at 09:41 PM
Teachers union is a crock of bull pucky! So many tenured teachers that do not need to be teaching. I say make them all take some tests and get interviewed and see if they are capable of doing the job TODAY!! LAUSD is a prime example of the teachers union and how corrupt it is.
American Girl December 18, 2012 at 09:43 PM
Why don't we just start raising better kids??? I am guessing a few of you have little ones running around while you are sitting here on THE PATCH wasting your time. Go tend to your kids!
American Girl December 18, 2012 at 10:59 PM
Thats actually a good idea. Like an Air Marshall , no one knows who they are. I might work, but it would be better if it were front office staff. Have under cover cops stop by each school in each city daily.
The Teller of Truth December 18, 2012 at 11:56 PM
@Irishman, I bet if you did a poll of the Columbine parents, they would want to see their kids have a fighting chance of exiting a window, rather than be a sitting duck. All too often the shooters stay 'inside' of the building trying to find more victims. One little door lock isn't going to deter any madman from entering a room where he knows there will be terrified kids cowaring in the corner. You would exit a burning building right?
Roberto December 19, 2012 at 12:08 AM
Your not going to be able to legislate semi-automatic weapons away or keep someone from obtaining a weapon from a law abiding citizen all the time. Learn who to shoot, what to shoot, when to shoot, where to shoot and why to shoot and how to shoot. It's for the children....I know this sounds morbid but it's reality in a gun legal society.
The Teller of Truth December 19, 2012 at 12:11 AM
Good point June & something that I often wondered about. All my kids are out on there own now, yet I remember that when they were home, I spent almost every waking minute with them. I taught them every thing I could. I gave them all of my time. The rewards are surely worth it in the end. (BTW, my Mothers name was June also. Her nick name was Junebug.)
The Irishman December 19, 2012 at 12:52 AM
Teller, most of the high school students killed & wounded at Columbine High School were in the cafeteria, not behind locked doors. A few were in the parking lot, early targets for Kleebold & Harris. I understand exactly where you are coming from, find a way to escape. But there are "what ifs" with any tragic situation. The teachers were in shock too knowing this lockdown was not drill. Plus the safety procedures they follow are strict guidelines set by the school district & influenced by law enforcement agencies. Sending little children out windows...25 of them...imagine a shooter waiting outside for these innocent kids. Sadly, we do not have any foolproof methods to keep our children completely safe in school. They should NEVER be in harms way!!! But what we have in place is the safest for now until we build shelters underneath each classroom.
The Teller of Truth December 19, 2012 at 01:37 AM
@Irishman, I still believe that a revised exit strategy is in order. You're more likely to have a shooter in the halls trying to shoot down doors & students from 'within' the building, instead of 'outside' of it. Thats just strategy. Interesting that you can recall both Columbine shooters names from your memory. Can you also recall any of the little victims? There was recently another thread where most people thought it was a disgrace to even 'print' these killers names because it gives them some kind of lasting immortality & that we should just forget their names instead. I tend to agree.
John Doe December 19, 2012 at 06:15 PM
Do kids feel threatened by police and other officials who carry guns?? Why couldn't a teacher strap a 40 Cal side arm on their person with a holster that prevents someone else from taking the gun? They could be trained to handle the weapon safely and could reduce the number of victims that an intruder could kill or harm. Metal detectors are only as good as the people who man them which means more $$. The staff is already onsite doing their job why not make this a requirement of their work duty. I know I don't rely on the police to protect my property as they are too far away time wise. My attitude is that I will protect my family first and not depend on the "Police" which could prove fatal. If ALL the staff at schools were armed the odds of someone coming in and killing 26 people would be greatly diminished.
Sierra Mist December 20, 2012 at 02:09 PM
Maybe there should be a bomb shelter room that is part of the class room. It could be used as a fun room when nothing is happening but then if something does happen kids and teachers can go into it and be safe. There should be toys and games and lights to keep everyone calm and keep the kids busy if there were a crisis. Something needs to be done to keep our children safe.
Sierra Mist December 20, 2012 at 02:27 PM
I agree mental health care needs to be available to people. I don't understand how the killer's mom could have thought it was ok for her kid to be around her gun collection. Guns and mental illness just is a bad combination. I also don't think that kids should be around gun collections at all.No one under 21 should be allowed to be around guns since they are not toys.That should be a law.
TVOR December 21, 2012 at 12:10 AM
I think school staff should have the option of being armed if they take extensive safety training and maintain proficiency verified by approved firearms safety instructors. They should not be required to carry but I think they should be allowed if the conditions are met.
Sierra Mist December 21, 2012 at 03:45 AM
@TVOR That could be a deadly situation if a kid got into teachers guns. Some kids are fascinated by guns and do not realize that guns are not toys and many are impulsive etc. Teachers are busy and could very well lay their gun down in the wrong place. It would take only a second for some kid to grab it and we could have another tragedy.Kids and guns would just not mix well as we have seen in the past. Maybe a security guard might help and like I mentioned before bomb shelters that are made into play areas during the day but could also be used in an emergency situation and of course banning the guns that do rapid fire.So far all of these shootings were because kids got in to their parents guns collection. We cannot keep on depending on other parents to keep the rest of the other children safe.We must at least put an end to this by outlawing the deadliest weapons which would be a good start.
Sierra Mist December 21, 2012 at 04:10 AM
Another thing that might help is that no kid should be allowed to shoot a gun under the age of 21 with or without the parents consent.This law really needs to enforced. There needs to be some very strict gun control laws put in place. This would also be a good start to help put an end to these tragedys.
Rick Carson January 03, 2013 at 03:49 PM
I agree with Tina and Others. Something should be done and done quickly. Some of the Ideas ( Not Necessarily my mine) are as Follows: Bank type silent alarms, Emergency Drills. A Volunteer School Watch ( Organized along the lines of a Neighbor Watch) with Cell Phones thus providing more reaction time for Trained Officers. Making sure of the Security of a firearm in the home ,if U own one. Urging police departments to organize a quick response squad on standby ( Volunteer reserve Police Officers ? ) These are Do-able things at No Cost to Low cost.
California Resident February 28, 2013 at 12:47 AM
sam, don't try to use rhetoric on someone to try to sound smart, no one said anything about arming first graders like what you would want. How about arming teachers or custodial staff, or just the security guards if they want to have a gun they don't have to have a gun if they don't want to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyoLuTjguJA
Mirda Manera April 12, 2013 at 03:48 PM
shut up!!!!!
Mag Avants April 12, 2013 at 04:05 PM
Who is Shane? Myth: Jeff Kleiner grew up in the tough streets of Chicago Fact: Affluent Glenview is tough Jeff? Myth: Jeff Kleiner worked at Disney and retired Fact : Jeff never worked for Disney and is on false disability Myth: Jeff owns two rifles Fact Well now Jeff says he never owned a weapon Myth Jeff is for minority rights Fact Jeff is a racist bigot that uses racist insult on here all the time Myth Jeff is financially well off Fact Financially well off people do not do strategic foreclosures in 2006 with positive equity...but Morons do Myth: Jeff is a law abiding citizen Fact Jeff is a felon with a current felony warrant SWF022329 (Riverside County) Look it up here:http://www.riverside.courts.ca.gov/publicaccess.shtml Myth: Jeff never served in the military Fact Jeff has claimed Vietnam service many many times although this is not true Myth Jeff owns multiple homes Fact Jeff can't even pass a rental check after being evicted last Octonber. Myth Jeff is a moral God fearing man Fact Jeff is a con artist and a thief with no morals. He fakes his belief in God Myth Jeff is into his wife Fact Jeff tries to cheat on Cindy all the time but is so ugly that it is tough going Myth: Jeff is credible as Shane Fact: Jeff "Shane " lies so much he cannot keep his"facts" straight BOTTOM LINE JEFF KLEINER IS A BOZO AND AN ASS CLOWN.WHAT A DOLT!
Roberto April 12, 2013 at 04:41 PM
Ban saws! http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2013/04/11/man-cuts-arms-with-saws-saved-by-off-duty-firefighter/
Mirda Manera April 18, 2013 at 05:35 PM
My Name Is Mirda Manera 17 And I Am A Jonior in high school. we have been assigned a class debate and my group and i choose our topic on the great debate going on today with teachers concealing weapons on school grounds not only do i dissagree with this i find it rediculous. i would love to hear what you have to say please contact me at : tator.tot44@yahoo.com Very much apperiated
Miranda Manera April 18, 2013 at 05:35 PM
My Name Is Mirda Manera 17 And I Am A Jonior in high school. we have been assigned a class debate and my group and i choose our topic on the great debate going on today with teachers concealing weapons on school grounds not only do i dissagree with this i find it rediculous. i would love to hear what you have to say please contact me at : tator.tot44@yahoo.com Very much apperiated
Roberto April 18, 2013 at 07:05 PM
A junior high student has no business soliciting contacts on the blog. If you have question or want to debate, you can do it right here.
Becky Honkington April 18, 2013 at 07:13 PM
She is a Junior in High School. She said she is 17. Chill out.


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