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Voter ID Fraud: Political Folly Or Real Problem?

When local voters go to the polls in Riverside County this fall, they will not be required to show ID unless their poll book entries are marked “ID Required.”

During , some in the audience told the contenders they were worried about how voter ID fraud might affect election outcome.

There were allegations that groups like the now defunct Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) could derail Republican wins. The panel of all GOP candidates were generally sympathetic and expressed some similar concern.

The race for the 67th State Assembly District has now come down to two candidates, Melissa Melendez and Phil Paule, and neither is making voter ID fraud an issue on their respective campaign websites.

Some Republican candidates on the national campaign trail, however, contend that new state laws cropping up requiring voters to show a picture ID before casting ballots will curb fraud, while some Democrats contend the laws are simply political tools designed to suppress Democratic turnout, particularly in poor and minority communities.

When local voters go to the polls in Riverside County this fall, they will not be required to show ID unless their poll book entries are marked “ID Required.” In these cases, a photo ID such as a driver’s license is acceptable, but so is a non-photo ID, like a bank statement or current utility bill.

Moreover, more and more Americans are choosing to vote absentee, where no ID is required.

What are your thoughts on voter ID fraud? Is it a serious issue? Should photo ID be required of all voters who cast ballots, and should the absentee ballot system be reserved for only those who truly need it, such as military personnel serving overseas? Weigh in with your comments below.

Diana August 23, 2012 at 03:46 AM
Calling Popeye a underachiever is being kind :)
Diana August 23, 2012 at 03:48 AM
CC: You got that right, this is my Country and I am a proud American, either become one or get the hell out, we don't need your vote.
Stanley August 23, 2012 at 04:58 AM
You should be very grateful that you have the right to vote. The founding fathers would have laughed in your face if you turned up to vote.
Galactic Cannibal August 23, 2012 at 02:42 PM
If you every travel in New Zealand (I did) you will see approx. 70 million sheep , real sheep that is, grazing on green pastures. . Here in the USA we have a minimum of 180 million 2 legged sheep wandering about in a synthetic world of waste , and all claiming patriotism !! for what I ask. Remember patriotism is the last resort of scoundrels. Is the vote of a person who has a PhD in Electrical Engineering more important than the vote of a person who cannot spell English, and barely read English and dropped out of high school drinks booze and smokes pot and does not work.
SPB August 23, 2012 at 06:13 PM
SBD? Never heard of em. SPB on the other hand, now thats a name! It all started years ago in a hidden jungle somewhere in the middle of the pacific. The plane I was on hit some turbulence and crashed. Many died, though the surviving passengers banded together to try and survive in this new land. We made a makeshift camp on the beach, eating what we could scrounge from the plane and even a pig someone managed to catch and kill. I myself headed off from the group deep into the jungle to find some other kind of sustenance. Then there, like diamond amongst coal it stood; a pineapple tree. I ran to the tree and climbed... climbed...CLIMBED up the side until I was able to knock a single pineapple down. It landed with a thud onto the soft grasses below. Suddenly there was a roaring and screeching in the distance. I slid down the trunk, grabbed my pineapple and ran. I ran like I had never run before. Trees groaned before being uprooted in a violent maelstrom of chaos. It followed, gaining ground as I clung tightly to my prize. My foot hit an exposed root which sent me tumbling to the ground. I grabbed my delicious fruit and turned around to see a giant billowing cloud of smoke. It floated above me, hovering in near silence. I climbed to my feet and awaited the inevitable. More silence. I used the small knife I had on my belt and cut a piece off and held it out in the palm of my hand. The cloud then spoke: Sweet Pineapple Bro! We've been friends ever since.
SPB August 23, 2012 at 06:17 PM
Sam, I never said I didn't buy the political argument. I most certainly do. I stated as much in my post. My point was that I don't see the acquisition of a license as some gigantic burden. I fully agree that this move is 100% motivated by politics. I suppose I just save my umbrage for the truly outrageous. I'm personally more concerned with the staggering volume of money in our democratic processes than I am with telling a couple of people to go get IDs. We disagree on the issue, and thats fine. It is what it is.
Vince August 23, 2012 at 06:44 PM
It appears by this model that this argument, pro, or con, is fast becoming MOOT: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/22/university-of-colorado-pr_n_1822933.html And that is from one of the most Left Leaning of all "news and information" Sites on The Net. But rest assured, WHICHEVER fella gets in there, they are still not going to be working in the best interests of We The People...THAT is a given that should be enbraced by everyone with a HOPE for REAL CHANGE...yer pizzin' up a rope, to be frank. "It's The Status Quo, Doncha Know". Hey!! THAT is even better then "It's The Economy Stupid"--- Maybe one or ta other should adopt it as their campaign slogan, huh? Rest assure though, that in the ensuing next 4 years, Illegal's WILL get the vote, one way or ta other....and after that? Democraps will take over the country's politics until the collapse---but again, it is all about The ONE Political party, and so it matters not, WHO makes the laws...by golly, I think the Old Man Original Money Changer Banker from The Rothschild's line first uttered those words.."Amshel Rothschilds" was it? along with: "so long as I create, and control THE NONEY..."....a bit paraphrased there I think, since i don't wanna go fishing for the EXACT quote....but I'm close though!!
Vince August 23, 2012 at 06:50 PM
Uh oh...I made a coupla spelling errors there above....now I'm gonna hear from the Grammar, Spelling, and Content Police....crap. And of course an obligatory, and resounding "TEABAGGER'S CAN'T SPELL" will soon spew forth from Poop-eye's quarter...cage?
SPB August 23, 2012 at 07:16 PM
@ Teller, do you disagree with my point or just the way I made it?
Teller of Truth August 23, 2012 at 11:07 PM
@Galactic Cannibal, the quote is the last REFUGE of a scoundrel, not "resort". So one could surmise that you have already answered your own question about whether or not an educated & informed persons vote is more important.
mark August 23, 2012 at 11:11 PM
ID's to vote. Hell, give em an ID for FREE, just make sure they are a citizen for God's sake. I'd like to see a test on each ballot. 3 simple questions like "how long does a Congressman serve" or "how long is a president's term of office". If you get 2 of 3 wrong, you're vote is discarded because you are too stupid to vote.
Diana August 24, 2012 at 12:47 AM
Sure that's all we need is a bunch of idiots that know nothing about who is running for office at the polls voting for someone cause maybe they like the suit he was wearing, or the way he smiles, just because they have an ID? Oh Wait, they would be able to figure it out, they would vote for the one that gave them the free ID and everything else they get for free. Not a good idea.
Teller of Truth August 24, 2012 at 12:52 AM
...or you could just write out those three questions in ENGLISH!
Vince August 24, 2012 at 02:15 AM
Diana....C'mon, we already got's millions of voter's just like you described...and they are in BOTH Party's. The proof of that is a sitting President with NO previous record worth two shiats showing he had ever accomplished much of anything at all up to the point of his being nominated to run...He was picked to run, AND voted for thanks to his color, and speeches written by someone else---and no other reason. And I gotta say, he is STILL black, but now he DOES have a record, and one that he cannot run on, other then stating: He won the '08 Election. Quite the feat for a Black guy...and...well everything else he has accomplished since isn't too overly noteworthy, and not a good idea to revisit, and point to. I was reading an article earlier stating that 96% of Blacks polled will vote for him again...So right there is a butt load of morons who vote skin color, and not the substance of the individual. And you betcha, plenty of white folks will vote for him again too, setting his record to the wayside, and going with him just so they don't appear to be racist....sheesh! The old adage: "Fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice, shame on me" won't be of concern to them, as everything else coming apart in this country, with his "leadership", doesn't appear to bother them none neither... Romney is a puppet also though. So be ready for things to keep heading in the direction they are heading if he wins...
Anon August 24, 2012 at 02:19 AM
My question is this......even if Obama had done something to brag about the last 4 years, why pick Biden? I don't get that part of the equation.
Teller of Truth August 24, 2012 at 02:32 AM
Vince, did you hear that? It's Martha falling on the floor! Gasp! I think you just burst her Obubble!
Anon August 24, 2012 at 02:34 AM
TOT LOL
Vince August 24, 2012 at 02:51 AM
Tell ya what you two crazy kids, you, I do read a lot, and always have...and I read a deal not long ago about a study based on middle-aged, portly white wimmins having a propensity to developing so called "Jungle Fever" later in life...I'm not pointing any fingers here at all, but anything is possible when it comes to just why someone acts in a manner, totally opposing a LOGICAL ACT. I will go try to search up that study, just to show that it exists....what a guy, huh?
Vince August 24, 2012 at 02:56 AM
AG....well lady, the deal is with The Democrat V.P. slot, as a rule the best and brightest aren't lining up to fill the position...so it becomes a matter of "the best of the worst" when a choice is made. Take a loooooong look back through Presidential Elections, and you will see right off that it is so...Grasshopper.
Anon August 24, 2012 at 03:05 AM
Yes Master Po
TVOR August 25, 2012 at 04:50 PM
There's not a damn thing wrong with asking someone who intends to vote, to prove they are legally entitled to cast a vote. Nobody has proof of voter fraud because those in power have done all they can to frustrate any efforts to investigate instances of fraud. We need a voting system that is totally open to verification and investigation by those who would ensure votoing is fair and that no person is voting who does not haqve the right to vote.
TVOR August 25, 2012 at 04:51 PM
Pardon the stubby fingers.
Vince August 26, 2012 at 04:50 AM
Stubby fingers? It has been my experience that often, folks with stubby fingers have extra large nostrils...I am not sure how that correlates, and I doubt I will ever go questing to find out why it is that it is...jes' sayin'.
TVOR August 27, 2012 at 02:25 AM
Ha ha!
Jeff Walters August 28, 2012 at 05:46 AM
Voter Fraud is a HUGE problem! If a person is worried about showing a form of government or state issued I.D. when voting. Then I suugest they go live somewhere else like mexico or Russia. Everybody who is a legal citizen has a form of photo I.D., so what is the big deal whith having this matched up against the voter registration card?
Galactic Cannibal August 28, 2012 at 11:08 PM
Hey Dude , Clearly you know little or nothing about the world outside our racist country the U.S. Mexico is our 3rd. largest trading partner, behind Canada and China. And Russia is the one country that could neutralized our vast military arsenal should we decide to attack them . Attacking IRAQ and Afghanistan, N. Korea and Vietnam shows how weak we are . Yet in each of those WARS we lost. But millions of people were killed as a result.
Vince August 29, 2012 at 01:21 AM
G.C...."lost" is a rather harsh assessment....and yes, millions of people were surely killed, but The Globalist's/Bankers made bezillions of dollars off the wars you cited---AND, those deaths to them, are nothing more than "collateral damage"...so they were instituted by design, with profit as the intentional motivation behind them. The only truly profitable wars are the long drawn out kind....there is NO profit in going Nuke To Nuke with China, or Russia, since those would both be "Wam, Bam, Thank You Ma'am" type o' wars"---blink and you are vaporized..."they" can't turn a buck like that ya gotta know. And the country isn't racist, although some of the inhabitants of the country could be fairly characterized as RACIST, and those folks cover the color spectrum...
Vince August 29, 2012 at 01:38 AM
In 2005 The Rothschilds of The World Central Banking Concern Clan had a Net Worth estimated at $200 Trillion, yep,, TRILLION dollars...a few months back it was re-estimated at over $600 Trillion...now, how in the heck did they accomplish that. sound investing? Yeah...they invested in the stOOpidity of the world, and The U.S. Congress, and other governments across the globe turning a blind eye to their "Housing Ponzi Scheme", and other overall wild-azzed lending criteria...and voila!!! When they pulled the rug out from under THE WORLD, all those bad loans boomeranged right back to them in the form of overpriced Real Estate, and other tangible collateral...and mind you, they make currency from nothing, turn it into Federal Reserve Notes here in the U.S., "lend it" to We The Tax Payer for all intents and purposes, at a "fair interest rate" (that they name) , and then get fat off the interest...Oh, and eventually they buy even better tangibles, like gold fer instance, with the interest and collateral that comes back to them---and all of it with "money" created outta thin air...quite the trick, eh wot? When THEY want a war, we get a war....and when THEY get a war, THEY make money off it....and DO loan to ALL participants, since they is truly Equal Opportunity Lender's...and making a buck IS thier business, and that regardless how many lives are lost, families ruined, or business's put asunder...
anotherview September 01, 2012 at 06:21 PM
All over, both routine and important transactions require a picture identification for the individual, and without any politics involved. The objections (more like accusations) regarding the requirement of a picture identification for voters differs chiefly in their political context. The major political parties that control the election process see either gain or loss in requiring a voter to show identification in order to vote. Remove the political parties from the equation, and only another important transaction remains. This transaction (voting), however, occurs as part of a central activity of democratic government. One cannot compare this activity to, say, buying groceries at the supermarket. An election outcome may change the representation for many citizens and their interests. Sometimes, a handful of votes may determine the outcome; hence, every vote counts. Fraudulent votes could tip the election result one way or the other. Therefore, with the requirement of showing an identification to vote, citizens as a whole will have confidence an election outcome reflects the will of the eligible voters. Moreover, this citizen has never seen a rational argument in support of anonymous voting. Only showing an identification to vote makes any sense.
Vince September 01, 2012 at 07:21 PM
To: "Another View", 4th Reply down (newly placed today) on this thread...and "AV", sometimes it is best to get down to the BOTTOM, most recent spot of a Thread with a new reply, otherwise it may get missed in the mix---and that is just MY "Unified Theory On Reply's". In reply to your Post (See: Waaaaaaaay Above), California is LOST, and it has gone over to The Dark Side, and will forever remain in the hands of one Political Party (Democraps)---Therefore, in MY view Another View, garnering more votes for CA Democrap Politician's is NOT the reason for the push to fill the State up with potential Democrap Voter's....but there is a reason for the obvious push to get them well entrenched in The United States. From here, it is but a skip and a jump across our fair lands, and with their being "sanctioned, and made sorta kinda, almost LEGAL, AS ILLEGAL'S here in CA and protected by The present administration (for all intents and purposes), it is a foregone conclusion that in due time, they WILL spread out, and thusly become a powerful Democrap voting block EVERYWHERE in the nation....and then? Why, then the country is fully lost to a Socialist Ideal that will NEVER bear fruit. So you see...there really is a rhyme, and reason to let them stay, under even the most false of pretenses.

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