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Wildomar Parks' Supporters Urge Voters To Make Their Voices Count

According to the language of the measure, a two-thirds majority of voters who cast a ballot will need to check the “Yes” box in order for Measure Z to pass.

More than 100 people turned out Sunday evening at Marna O’Brien Park in Wildomar in support of a ballot measure that asks city voters whether they want to pay a $28 annual tax to fund their parks.

The crowd gathered Sunday answered the question with a resounding “Yes” as they formed a “human Z” at the park as a way to garner attention to the ballot measure.

Without passage of Measure Z on Nov. 6, the city has warned Marna O’Brien Park will close, and Windsong and Heritage parks will remain locked to the public.

John Lloyd, chairman of the political action committee Citizens for Wildomar Parks, said Sunday night, “This is the most important election locally,” explaining that if Measure Z fails, it will change the architecture of the city.

“Wildomar will be the only local city to have no parks. This will affect property values and will say a lot about who we are as a city. I don’t want to live in a city with no parks,” he said, arguing that nearby cities pay parks’ taxes that are all higher than Wildomar’s proposed annual $28.

Under Measure Z, the $28 annual tax would be imposed on all land parcels in the city.

Passage of Measure Z will require significant voter turnout. According to the language of the measure, a two-thirds majority of voters who cast a ballot will need to check the “Yes” box in order for Measure Z to pass.

Click here to read the full text of Measure Z, impartial analysis, arguments for and against, and rebuttals from each side of the issue.

Voter apathy was a concern the last time the parks’ issue was put to Wildomar residents. Despite a survey earlier this year that showed very high support for the $28 tax, in 2011 a similar ballot initiative was put to Wildomar voters and it failed.

Wildomar’s voter turnout was low during last year’s special election.

At press time, the Riverside County Registrar of Voters office shows 14,224 Wildomar voters are currently registered.

For those who have not yet registered to vote or who need to update their information, there is still time. This year’s voter registration deadline is Monday, October 22.

Voter registration forms can be picked up at Wildomar City Hall located at 23738 Clinton Keith Road or online at the Riverside County Registrar of Voter’s office at http://www.voteinfo.net.

Teller of Truth October 16, 2012 at 04:19 AM
Jenny, unfortunately you're going to come across 'rude' trolls here from time to time. I'm trying to give everyone the heads up on this one KevWild. He has stolen others pics & names in an attempt to run them off. (Just today he did that to long time poster Roberto) I can't think of anything more immature or despicable. If you would like to join us and voice your own thoughts and feelings on this, just click on KevWilds name & look at all his comments. Then you can call Toni (our editor here) to voice 'YOUR OWN opinions about this. 951-265-6430. Thank you! Together we can make a difference!
Teller of Truth October 16, 2012 at 04:28 AM
Giving cyber hugs now Keviemarf? Just how loney & desperate are you? You didn't add any pics & you saw the "llamas " from the other pics that were already posted. BUSTED AGAIN!!! The Patch readers are not the fools that you think they are, have called them & continually try to run your scams on. Your immaturity is getting tiresome like a child pulling on mamas apron strings. If you want to go beat yourself up, go do it in private.
Teller of Truth October 16, 2012 at 05:01 AM
KEEP trying Kevie! Everyone knows that the REAL Constant Comments picture is that of trees. You're so pathetic that you have to rip off someone thats in the hospital & can't even defend himself? Thats a new all time low, even for you, eh? Loser!
THE REAL Anita Drink October 16, 2012 at 01:37 PM
Good God Teller, give it a rest! Your constant comments are more irritating than anything Kevin writes. You are a mission to bombard poor Toni with phone calls and emails and you're probably the only one leaving messages for her. Enough already.
Larry October 16, 2012 at 03:07 PM
I must say, if you want parks fine vote for them, but don’t lie to get more people to vote with you. My Dad is a Real Estate Broker. I ask him if parks are really are a value booster to homes. He told me in his 40 years for selling real estate, never has the question of Parks showed up on an appraisal sheet, never. In fact he told me you have to disclose the fact that there will be excessive noise, over crowded street parking and park lights that will be glaring in on your property and in your windows all night when the lights are left on. So Mr. Lloyd you should use a more relevant document, not something from “1876” or studies from back East, to prove your point. How about a study that is done in Southern California and done in the 21st Century? By the way I think it is admirable that you said you will pay the delinquent electric and water bills personally.
Citizen1 October 16, 2012 at 05:31 PM
SUMMARY OF ANNUAL PER-ACRE PARKS MAINTENANCE COSTS: Murrieta $5,000, San Diego $6,000, Wildomar $25,000 per Prop Z. Wildomar residents, we need parks however we don't need Prop Z. I want the parks maintained but not like this.Let us not over feeding the Wildomar City budget. Maybe we need a volunteer council whose budget can be overseen by appointed people with moral's and ethic's. Working citizen's who can make a well educated choice to better enhance Wildomar as a community through commerce and business revenues. We can create a volunteer parks and recreation division that can be funded by donations and charitable contribution's. If we can't pay a 15,000 dollar water bill or a $6,000 estimated electric bill then why create a new tax? With a 3.7-7 million dollar budget what's a few thousand dollars? 28 x 32000 population= $896,000 That's if everyone were like a $28.00 bill. Take the current bill's We need about $129,000 a year for water and power estimated. Add crew of five to seven contracted employees and volunteers at $125,000-200,000 estimated. We could do it for alot less.In conclusion Prop Z is wrong for the community. I've served my country and it's citizen's for 19 years and continue to serve. I've protected homes and families from fires and served in the military. I know selfless service and the duty it takes to dedicate your life to American's such as yourself I urge each and everyone of us to vote no on Prop Z.
Ray A October 16, 2012 at 06:31 PM
Gee whiz Citizen1. Imagine a champion of the community for 19 years and this is your first post on the Wildomar Patch. Your real name wouldn't actually be Martha, or Gil, or Steve? Your math is dishonest as it suggests that each and every citizen of Wildomar will be paying $28.00 when you know perfectly well that the tax is per parcel and not per person. You must think the voters are really stupid. You had your chance to run for the city council and you backed out. Now you think your razzle-dazzle math is going to fool people. Different name, same old crap. Vote yes on Z.
KevWild October 16, 2012 at 06:35 PM
LOL Anita, I was thinking the same thing.
KevWild October 16, 2012 at 06:38 PM
Jenny, what part of the Z were you on?
Teller of Truth October 16, 2012 at 06:49 PM
Kevw, still trying to engage someone...anyone? I'll help you out by making sure that EVERYONE on EVERY THREAD knows you...and EXACTLY what you're all about! Ok? You're welcome....anything I can do.....you know I'll be here for as long as it takes too! You'll have lots & lots of what you consider fun! Hahaha.
Ken Mayes October 16, 2012 at 11:44 PM
Ray You keep blah blahing about only $28.00. Here are some numbers for you. That $28.00 translates into the city spending $958.00 a day every day of the year on parks. That $28.00 translates into the city spending $25,000.00 per acre on parks. John Lloyd mentions Central Park in New York City, they spend $44,483.99 per acre to maintain and operate 843 acres, but the non-profit Central Park Conservancy picks up 83.5% of the tab leaving the taxpayers paying only $7,339.86 per acre. The balance of New York City parks cost the taxpayer less than $10,800 per acres to operate, maintain and run programs this cost also includes the parks department maintaining 650,000 street trees throughout the 5 boroughs. John would have you believe that property values are dependent on parks but every example he used in his blog also include increased population density around the parks. Take Central Park for example, Manhattan has 69,000 people per sq. mi. Wildomar has 1,440 people per sq. mi. Imagine every home in the Windsong development and stack 5 more homes on top of each 7,200 sq. ft. lot for a total of 6 homes per lot, cover the yard with asphalt for parking and you come somewhere close to Manhattan.
Citizen1 October 16, 2012 at 11:46 PM
Ray your right I was using our population as a example. Why don't you tell us how many properties we have. Then multiply that by 28. a state of confusion or hilarity I am not. These were just my opinions and own thoughts. People Ray obviously likes to use harmful words towards you and myself. I'm not going to entertain your rhetoric nor your foul language. Your a disappointment to all. By the way my name is not Martha,Gil or Steve.
Citizen1 October 16, 2012 at 11:49 PM
Thanks Ken for your common sense and objectivity.
Teller of Truth October 17, 2012 at 12:01 AM
James, KevWild is lying to you. Thats all he ever does. He does not have a friend.....
James Reeves October 17, 2012 at 01:50 AM
Don't know nothing about Heritage Park never been there heard its for dogs. Windsong Park is inside the track pretty much hidden from most of the community. and the last time I was at Marna Park I'd left just as quick as i arrived due to a child peeing down the big slide with the parents making out in the grass. And you want me to pay to keep this? It is not about the money, it to me is about those in charge. Heck i would pay $100.00 a year for some proper code enforcements. This town is looking like one big rundown trailer park.
Ken Mayes October 17, 2012 at 02:10 AM
Did you visit Wildomar in the dark or were you blindfolded when you bought here or maybe you did it by phone. I worked with a guy once that wouldn't by a home in Bear Creek because he didn't want to drive by the peasants, he moved to Palm Desert and had to go thru Cathedral City instead. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Ken Mayes October 17, 2012 at 02:23 AM
Citizen1 The numbers are 12,500 parcels subject to the tax of $28.00 per for a total of $350,000.00. This money can only be used for operations, maintenance and programs. You can bet the first thing the city will do is to pay the community services director from this money, the one that the grand jury criticized the hiring method of so the city put her on the payroll, there goes about $60,000 right off the top. Frees up that money so they can educate us on the next tax they want to pass, which by the way I have yet to receive any literature and I have already voted, maybe they should ask for their money back, come to about $2.00 a voter.
Teller of Truth October 17, 2012 at 02:57 AM
Everyone knows that Anitadrink is one of the names you stole. So now what is it, talking to yourself under different names? Wow! Thats incredibly stupid! Why don't you troll somewhere else? TROLL ALERT!
Martha L. Bridges October 17, 2012 at 01:36 PM
Thank you Ken, your figures are more precise than the ones I used in the chart attached to my current blog posting - as I had rounded them to make the graphic more readable. However, the chart numbers are correct and easily verified. See Measure “Z” – Another Bad Tax Proposal - Updated I very much appreciate you bringing such clarity to the subject of comparable costs. Measure "Z" calls for a truly excessive amount of money per acre of park land for which there can be no reasonable justification. It is a bad tax proposal, and the facts being put forward by proponents to help pass it are false and purposely misleading. If it passes, it will open the door to more city corruption and waste of the taxpayers’ money. As Citizen1 has expressed so well, I do not appreciate the groundless accusations from Ray A regarding my authoring comments under any name but my own or his other rude and insulting remarks. Except for this posting, I am not commenting further here on the Patch. 100 people, many of whom are not old enough to vote, hardly represent the 32,000 residents or the 14,224 voters of Wildomar. Yet it appears this vocal minority wants to dictate to their fellow citizens by saying brutal and untruthful things. People are already voting or will vote soon and we will all have to live with the election results, but Wildomar will suffer damage to our community from the divisiveness and vitriol for a very long time.
Melissa Angotti Marshall October 17, 2012 at 04:50 PM
I don't want to pay for it either. I don't live in any of the neighborhoods these parks are in. If you want a neighborhood park, let the neighborhood pay for it not the whole city. Why should I pay for your parks when I will never use them? I drove my kids to parks in Elsinore because that's where they wanted to go. Marna is in a crappy neighborhood and my kids never wanted to go there. I have no idea where the other two parks are.
Teller of Truth (The real one that is!) October 17, 2012 at 04:51 PM
They were alpacas, not llamas. I am so smart I have to pat my own back!
Teller of Truth (The real one that is!) October 17, 2012 at 04:54 PM
Leave me alone. I am getting very very upset about this and I think everyone must call Toni and let her know I am having to raise my blood pressure medication because I am so bothered by this. I can't stop weeping because I am being trolled and it is not fair!
Teller of Truth October 17, 2012 at 09:15 PM
Hey Dumbass KevWild, If you're gonna rip off my name, then keep up! To everyone else...this could happen to you too! Its already happened to Constant Comment, AnitaDrink, Roberto, etc... Please call Toni and leave a message on what you think about allowing KevWild to steal so many different names. Toni @ 951-265-6430. There is a way to completely ban this idiot loser! Wouldn't you like to return the Patch back to a more intellectual place instead of all this annoying crap catering to this tweeker loser? I know I would. Thank you for your help!
Teller of Truth October 17, 2012 at 09:19 PM
KevWild, you are such a loser. No one will talk to you yet? Keep on posting your UNORIGINAL crap as people are getting VERY tired of all of your games! Didn't think I'd call you out did you? Ha... I've got the whole week off you tweeker troll. I will be exposing you at every turn. I emplore everyone to call Toni daily until you are gone completely. You add nothing to this blog you loser! Toni 951-265-6430.
michelle October 18, 2012 at 08:03 AM
I'm with you on this one, I thought Wildomar only had the one park, and I use that term loosely, I grew up in Long Beach(yes I understand the size difference) and we had El Dorado Park now that is a park.
KevWild October 18, 2012 at 08:10 AM
I see what Diana means. Now I'm dizzy. I'm going to bed.
THE REAL Anita Drink October 18, 2012 at 12:18 PM
Great news! Teller of Truth is GONE!!! I bet it will come back under a new name, but hopefully at least for today it won't be spamming the Patch every 10 minutes.
The Teller of Truth October 19, 2012 at 04:38 AM
Yes all of the 'Teller wanna bes' are in deed gone! And yes....lets hope they don't come back!
Ken Mayes October 19, 2012 at 05:53 AM
Larry WFFP claims to be broke but tonight Thursday October 18 the field lights were on a the park. Looks like they have learned the art of deficit financing well.
devonsmith372 November 09, 2012 at 11:33 PM
SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM. They have no place here.

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