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Wildomar General Plan Update Meeting Recap

Thank you to Joseph Morabito for his ability to give our citizens a quick recap of the meeting. I am providing you a link if you care to see his pictures from the powerpoint presentation and his video. http://wildomarrap.blogspot.com/2014/02/general-plan-update-meeting-recap.html


Tonight's meeting was attended by very few people and it was over in about 40 mins.
There were only a three public speakers following a 15 minute presentation by Mark Teague.

For all the hand wringing done about our city needing a"Wildomar Specific" General Plan, you'd have thought that some of the usual suspects would have come to register their opinions.
Instead, there were next to no people there.
Not counting myself, or those connected to the city in some way, I think there were less than half a dozen average Wildomarians there.

 The power point presentation will be on the city's website this week. http://cityofwildomar.org/ 

My favorite exchange was between longtime resident Sheila Urlaub and Matt Bassi on the topic of lawsuits.

There will be a workshop style meeting this March 5th. This is where you're supposed to bring your photos of things you like or dislike about how you'd like Wildomar to look. 

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wildomar resident February 20, 2014 at 09:21 AM
Interesting. Thank you.
G. of Wildomar February 21, 2014 at 05:45 AM
What's the point of attending meetings? Our city council does not listen to its' citizens. It just goes ahead and does whatever it wants regardless of who shows up or what we say. I am not so sure they are not on the take! I used to attend all council meetings and have not seen one thing done for its' citizens in a very, very long time. So I ask you...what's the point?
lotsahelp February 21, 2014 at 08:27 AM
I don't don't know what you wanted that the city didn't do. I have not minded most of their decisions. But yes I have disagreed with a few. I have also enjoyed meeting and discussing issues with them and the city manager. I am amused with comments that they would be on the "take" but if you have proof I would be calling for action to remove them. We have 32,000 people in this city, at any given time decisions will be made that will make some happy and some not happy. Show me where perfect town usa is.
Joseph Morabito February 21, 2014 at 10:38 AM
G, I'm not sure what the point is. Considering that you claim to have attended all the meetings in the past... you should be well aware of the many handicaps our city is faced with. There is no point in arguing whether or not cityhood was the best option at this point... we ARE a city, and turning back would be as painful (or more so) than pushing on. Still, I don't know what kind of magical fairy dust you think the council has, yet refuses to use. "...have not seen one thing done for its' citizens in a very, very long time." Ummm you do know that Wildomar has only been a city for less than 6 years... and the entire time we've been in a recession. I have the answer to Wildomar's fiscal woes. How about we start paying the same tax rates of Murrieta and Temecula? Does that sit well with you? It sure doesn't sit well with me. So since we're a bunch of skinflints in Wildomar, we need to adjust our desires back down to our willingness to pay for them and stop pissing and moaning about dirty dealing council members. Such things cannot be kept secret for long. If there are crooked people in positions of power, they can't hide for long.
Kathleen Hamblin February 21, 2014 at 10:47 PM
G. of Wildomar, I agree with you 100%!!!!
lotsahelp February 21, 2014 at 10:54 PM
Kathleen- Do you have proof of wrong doing? Please share. but if you are just going off of the word of the malcontents then you don't have any proof. Do you have any idea of the cost to the city from the various lawsuits? If you don't like something then yes by all means vote for the opposing candidates. But remember there are 32,000 people and tell me how they all want the same thing?
Kevin Jon Sax February 22, 2014 at 04:40 AM
I've met and befriended Wildomar's current leadership and many of the city staff. Unless I'm shown otherwise, I remain with the belief they are honest and ethical, and I'm satisfied with their efforts and accomplishments. One has to remember our budget is very lean so city services do have to be allocated carefully.
Ken Mayes February 24, 2014 at 06:23 PM
lotsahelp - I'm probably going to regret jumping in here, but so be it. You asked Kathleen Hamblin for proof of her accusations and then make a statement about the cost of lawsuits to the City of Wildomar, where's your proof as what these lawsuits have cost the city. I'd be willing to bet you have nothing more than statements released by city officials to the media with no evidence to back it up.
Ken Mayes February 24, 2014 at 06:31 PM
G. of Wildomar - 100% agree about the city not wanting to hear from its citizens. The scoping meeting about the General Plan is a prime example. The original announcement never appeared on the City of Wildomar's calendar, the only people that heard about it were those special enough to still be getting e-mail alerts from the city, plenty of people have complained about not receiving what the used to get because of poor management of the website. This could be a big reason attendance was so P-poor for this meeting. At the most recent City Council meeting it was mentioned that maybe there should be a town hall meeting, only because its an election year, any other time the city could give a rat's behind about what its citizens think.
lotsahelp February 25, 2014 at 08:44 AM
It doesn't take a genius to understand the cost of lawyers or staff hours or the cost to city coffers on delayed projects.____ It is disingenuous to say the city doesn't listen to people. A more accurate statement would be "I wanted the city to do this and they didn't!". But frankly for every disappointed citizen there is someone else happy with a decision. No one unelected citizen should have more control than any other unelected citizen.____ I have found in the past year that those with the city are very good about answering questions and clearing up misinformation that I have gotten from bloggers and comments on the patch. ___If the General Plan meeting was not on city calendar that is a shame and there is now a special section on the city website for it. But I know many people who got notices.
Ken Mayes February 25, 2014 at 09:44 AM
lotsahelp - you still DID NOT answer the question, how much has the city spent on any one law suit. All one has to do is take the time to request the documents, proof. Not you, all your going to do spew forth your blind faith in the city officials, no matter what.
Kevin Jon Sax February 25, 2014 at 12:37 PM
Good morning Ken, that information is available to the public. About a year ago I put in a request for that data and it was provided by the city clerk. I would need to put in a new request to get current information, but what would I do with it once I got it? I no longer desire to pick fights and have accepted that this will be handled in the courts.
Ken Mayes February 25, 2014 at 02:17 PM
Kevin Jon Sax - I can understand why you don't care anymore, having followed your attempt to open a dialog with the Wildomar Historical Society and the ensuing failure on their part to reciprocate. Much like dealing with the City of Wildomar, they tell you what you want to hear and do what they want.
lotsahelp February 25, 2014 at 07:05 PM
Really are you saying that the city never listens to people? or that you just don't like when they listen to other people. As far as the cost on the lawsuits you are right someone should pull the numbers. It seems strange to me that of all the things you've dug up you haven't done that. __I encourage everyone to reach out to the city, you will find them much more reasonable than some would lead you to believe.
Ken Mayes February 25, 2014 at 07:27 PM
lotsahelp - if you don't want to take the time to find out how much the lawsuits really cost then just maybe you should shut up about how much they cost the city seeing as how you don't know. As for me I could care less how much they cost as I find it more important to find out why the city keeps getting sued. PPP maybe.
lotsahelp February 25, 2014 at 08:08 PM
Interesting how you pick and choose what you want to research...Are you saying the lawsuits don't cost any money? That seems a little naive, but predictable. I too think it is important to find out why the city keeps getting sued. And I think most people who do more than just read blogs and comments on the patch know why....
Kevin Jon Sax February 26, 2014 at 10:30 AM
Hello Ken, Oh I DO care very much that the city is being sued. When I look at weeds and crud in our gutters that a simple street sweeper could solve, even if it just ran a couple time a year through my neighborhood, I get saddened knowing money is being spent on litigation. The money the city spends defending itself could pay for such basic services. The reason I'm somewhat withdrawn now is because the bickering back and forth is hurtful and unproductive. I love Wildomar and it would be an even better city if there were (was?) less rift. By the way, good morning. :)
wildomar resident February 26, 2014 at 08:14 PM
I care that the city is being sued too. It is funny that as I talk to my friends in town most think the lawsuits are the work of some local weirdos! I think it is about sour grapes not caring that some are suing the city! I also wish the Patch would post fewer blogs and more news. I am tired of ccoming in here and reading mean comments and then finding out some people are not telling the whole truth.
Ken Mayes February 26, 2014 at 11:12 PM
Kevin Jon Sax - exactly how much has the City of Wildomar spent on lawsuits defending itself. Can't quote a real number can you? Just like every other poster about this subject you have nothing to back up that statement, this is nothing more than spin by the City of Wildomar for their poor performance in providing services to the community. If your roads are not being sweep once a month you need to speak to the City of Wildomar as the Windsong Tract has an Municipal Separate Storm Sewer System (MS4), although poorly identified, that requires the City of Wildomar to sweep the streets to be in compliance with National Pollutant Discharge Elimination System (NPDES).
lotsahelp February 27, 2014 at 07:13 AM
Again is someone really saying that there has been no cost to the city? Lawyers work for free! City staff hours spent on these suits cost nothing? And potential revenue impacted- nothing! Sure in bizarro world- we need more cops, more services, but lets sue the city because we think we are right! and lets not just sue once! lets file multiple lawsuits because apparently they are FREE! "big eye roll here"
Ken Mayes February 27, 2014 at 09:50 AM
lotsahelp - ONCE AGAIN, how much. The City of Wildomars proposed budget at $204,000 for City Attorney is 1/2 what we spend for Animal Control and less than what we propose to spend on parks. If you want people to believe that certain people cost this city money then its time to put or shut up. The reality is staff is costing this city money with some sloppy work leading up to the approval of developments buy an ill informed planning commission and city council.
lotsahelp February 27, 2014 at 10:04 AM
We have to read vague accusations against the city staff all the time("they are on the take", "the city lawyer is advising against following the law", etc etc etc) with no specifics on what should be criminal issues. You yourself have spent hours researching arcane information. and you are now saying the staff is costing money with sloppy work-your opinion and vague. I have asked the same on the charges of illegallity put up or shut up. ___but when the claim is made that the lawsuits are costing money all of a sudden it is WHOA! you need to prove that! I will say it again for emphasis: Again is someone really saying that there has been no cost to the city? Lawyers work for free! City staff hours spent on these suits cost nothing? And potential revenue impacted- nothing! Sure in bizarro world- we need more cops, more services, but lets sue the city because we think we are right! and lets not just sue once! lets file multiple lawsuits because apparently they are FREE! "big eye roll here"
lotsahelp February 27, 2014 at 10:13 AM
Sorry if I am asking questions that some don't like. at least I am not accusing anyone of illegal activity. Or calling all city staff stupid...I don't think things were perfect when we were with the county. Please show me perfect town USA..._____Oh and lets keep talking about the AFV(which I agree we pay too much for) how about some more things we can't change and that are old news:lets talk ortega trails? Um-hey they shouldn't have built windsond that close to the highway; how about that election to be a city?; oh hey the court ruling last summer that said the city was right on the issue of no districts(old news?).
Martha L. Bridges February 27, 2014 at 11:45 AM
There are things this council has done which we evidently cannot change or withdraw from without serious legal and financial ramifications. Take for instance the overall costs of belonging to the Animal Friends of the Valley Joint Powers Authority (JPA). I guess the people of Wildomar are stuck with the $9.5 million price tag for this fool hearty decision. That is the cost we will have to pay over the life of the bond, and at the end of that road we will have no legal interest in the property or the buildings. __________________________________________________________ However, that should not stop Wildomar's citizens from examining the circumstances under which the city council made this hasty decision. At the very least we should let our dissatisfaction with the council's poor judgment and lack of debate over this ill-conceived resolution be known. We may not be able to escape the terrible burden of this bad decision, but we can voice our objections to the point of not allowing a repetition of what is in reality a financial disaster for our city. __________________________________________________________ These elected officials and their chosen staff are, in fact, OUR employees, and we have every right to evaluate their performance and demand they reform their policies and procedures to achieve a better decision making process to safeguard our future.
lotsahelp February 27, 2014 at 09:11 PM
I like AFV(I know you do too martha) but no I don't like what we are paying for it. And while we need to learn from it we can't undo it without a great cost. I think it was a tough learning experience for all the council people at the time. I do think they learned from it. I don't think it is the end of our city as we know it nor do I think it is the worst mistake I have seen a public official do.____________________I do agree that the elected officials work for us. All the way up to the President. But I think it is unfair to say they are all incompetant or to imply they are "on the take" when we don't like what they do. Some of what they have done that YOU don't like others of us do like. I think we have one council member who literally phones it in too often. And I also don't believe in council members or planning commissioners serving for too many years. I like new blood(yes new residents even) to bring in new ideas.____

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