Local Resident Fires On New Gun Ban

The law, AB144 (Portantino, D-Pasadena), makes it a misdemeanor to carry an exposed and unloaded gun in a public place.

On Oct. 10, Gov. Jerry Brown signed a measure banning the open carrying of handguns in California.

The law, Assembly Bill 144 (Portantino, D-Pasadena), makes it a misdemeanor to carry an exposed and unloaded gun in a public place.

The law takes effect Jan. 1.

The National Rifle Association had called on the governor to veto the bill on the grounds that “the open carrying of firearms by law-abiding citizens is caused by California’s unfair concealed carry laws, which allow citizens from one county to apply for and receive a permit while neighbors in the next county are denied that basic right in an arbitrary manner.”

The measure’s proponents have argued the bill makes residents safer. In a Oct. 10 press release, Dr. Dallas Stout, president of the California Brady Campaign Chapters said, “By prohibiting the open carry of guns, we can now take our families to the park or out to eat without the worry of getting shot by some untrained, unscreened, self-appointed vigilante.”

Patch has received a handful of angry emails about the ban. None have shown support for the new law.

Below are comments forwarded by one Lake Elsinore resident who argues AB 144 makes California residents less safe:

I am 37. I am a Patriot. I have the Bill of Rights laser-etched on my handgun to remind the ignorant.

I have been around guns all my life, and so have my kids. We reload our own rounds, and my dad and my wife’s dad were both range officers at the Lake Elsinore Gun Range before it was closed.

I remember my dad loaning the scared neighbors some guns when Richard Ramirez, the "Night Stalker," was around.

And I have been personally affected by violent crime. While in Buena Park, I was robbed at gunpoint. Fortunately, a truck pulled into the parking lot I was in and spooked the gun-wielding robbers.

I can’t say pissing my pants felt good, but it was a lot better than dying.

If I was carrying, I would have been in a different situation.  

We know what happens if we rely on the police to show up. It took them over 10 minutes to arrive after I was robbed – and the incident happened across the street from the Buena Park Police Department!

Also, after a string of residential break-ins in my neighborhood, my trucks were burglarized at 2 a.m. early one morning. I went outside with my 9mm and caught all three robbers in three different vehicles they were robbing. If I was not armed, I would have been easily overtaken.

With the new law, I would be arrested for taking my gun out in public!

An extreme example is the Oslo massacre that occurred earlier this year -- police arrived too late to aid most campers.

My point being, whose life is worth the wait?

I strongly object to the way our 2nd Amendment is not being upheld. "Shall not be infringed" seems to not ring a bell with our politicians. It’s a sad day we live in when you can’t buy a handgun to protect yourself.

I must have an actual death threat to get a concealed permit, which has a bunch of hoops and fees. It’s basically impossible unless you are a cop or a celebrity. The hothead Sean Penn got a permit after aggressively attacking Madonna's paparazzi!

So, to take away open carry as well takes away my ability to protect myself.

Signed, Anonymous

Editor’s Note:

In addition to AB 144, on Oct. 10 the governor also signed into law the following legislation pertaining to firearms:

Senate Bill 819 allows the Department of Justice to use the Dealer Record of Sales funds to help pay for enforcement of California firearm possession laws in the Armed & Prohibited Persons Systems program.

Assembly Bill 809 requires the registration of any newly purchased long guns. 

Senate Bill 610 standardizes the application process for a permit to carry a concealed handgun. 

On Oct. 10 the governor also vetoed Senate Bill 427, which would have granted authority to law enforcement to collect sales records from ammunition retailers, and require ammunition vendors to notify local law enforcement of their intention to engage in the business of selling ammunition.



Roberto October 22, 2011 at 04:51 AM
Ken Mayes commented on: Local Resident Fires On New Gun Ban The people of the various provinces are strictly forbidden to have in their possession any swords, short swords, bows, spears… REPLY: Short Swords? Whats that about?
Roberto October 22, 2011 at 05:21 AM
Do Canadians have short swords a? Ya say provinces and ya sound like a Newfie!
Tonto October 22, 2011 at 05:24 AM
typo ? :)
Ken Mayes October 22, 2011 at 06:10 AM
The quote is from a Japanese dictator if you bothered to read it all. The meaning is if you want to control your people totally then you remove any and all means for them to fight back, today your right to carry an unloaded firearm (might as well hold up your fingers to a would be robber and tell them to drop their's) tomorrow your right to own any weapon. So far we have laws against open carry unloaded and concealed carry, tomorrow it will be no bullets in the same building, then they start on the steak knives.
Tonto October 22, 2011 at 06:12 AM
what ever you you do don't let your neighbor see you holding up a water nozzle that looks just like a gun................
Major October 22, 2011 at 02:41 PM
The 2nd Amendment is not about Duck Hunting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WznSA4EU1Gk&feature=channel_video_title Note: I have stopped/resisted commenting on the patch or even reading comments because "Stupid People" raise my blood pressure and I don't need the stress but I see here there are some people in our community who are in fact not "Dumber Than Dirt" and recognize in this case that now Gov. Jerry Brown is very busy attacking our Constitution and pushing through laws that are in fact an attack on us, our children and what I know to be normal Americans. You who have been thrilled by these "Police Check Points", on the crackdown on unlicenced contractors and cheering on the agendas that are turning our country in to a Police State make me sick.
Michelle Deskin October 22, 2011 at 04:44 PM
Shame on you Govenor Brown, you're no different than Obama. I am a Hawaiian, not white either. So, I am NOT prejudice....We need guns to keep our families safe. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. In the states where you can openly carry a gun, there is less crime in those states. Who gave the Govenor the right to take away our freedoms? Well, he's doing it one law at a time & if We The People don't stand up to Jerry & say NO,NO,NO,NO,No, who will? Email & phone the Govenor & say enough is enough!! Quit taking away our freedom!!!
Ken Mayes October 22, 2011 at 05:06 PM
I am no defender of Jerry Brown, but when you vote for your local representatives you give him the right to sign whatever they send to his desk. The fact that you are Hawaiian should cause you to dislike everything the united states stands for because of the fact that rich business people used the government to overthrow the legitimate government of the Island Nation of Hawaii in 1893.
Diana October 22, 2011 at 10:16 PM
A very wise man once said, you can't fix stupid!!!!!!!!!
Popeye October 22, 2011 at 11:35 PM
Jerry Brown is fixing you. Haven't you found out your beliefs are in the wrong state. You can scream, but you never will be heard. Move if you do not like it, and maybe the GOP I grew up will win one day.
Diana October 23, 2011 at 01:23 AM
Popeye I am not one to break and run and moving is not an option and I don't think that I am living in the wrong State, only the weak run away with their tails between their legs because things are just to tough for them, they can pass any stupid law they want but you know what...........I will still take care of my own in my own way!!!!!!!!!!!!
Diana October 23, 2011 at 01:25 AM
I am with you Michelle..............what happen to "the people voting" I myself have already shared my thoughts with Jerry Brown and I suggest the rest of you do the same, this in not acceptable in my eyes......enough is enough!!!!!!!!!!!
Roberto October 23, 2011 at 02:04 AM
Th US annexed the entire south-west united states from a legitimate government under the guise of buying it. I wonder if slaves want to be repatriated? This is what is so lets move forward.
Roberto October 23, 2011 at 02:13 AM
Ken Mayes commented on: Local Resident Fires On New Gun Ban "The quote is from a Japanese dictator if you bothered to read it all. The meaning is if you want to control your people …" REPLY: 16 hour work day takes it out of you...I now get it...thanks.
Son of Liberty October 23, 2011 at 02:32 AM
After reading the bill AB144, I understand that only law enforcment,politicians,Armored car type workers on the job,Lawyers,irs agents and even Collection Agents. Seems like the thugs still get guns, Just not the people. I hope the Debt Prisons don't return. In 1833 the United States abolished Federal imprisonment for unpaid debts. Really....Yes,owe $,go to jail....so, how much do you owe? Collection man can open carry and you can't....welcome to Obamination.
Son of Liberty October 23, 2011 at 02:35 AM
edit: After reading the bill AB144, I understand that only law enforcment,politicians,Armored car type workers on the job,Lawyers,irs agents and even Collection Agents. <are exempt>
Popeye October 23, 2011 at 03:53 AM
Yea, crying about guns. Such foolishness.
Popeye October 23, 2011 at 03:55 AM
Another idiot blaming Obama. Instead of take responsibility of yourself. GOP needs to clean house and get rid of the losers.
Wizard Without Remorse October 23, 2011 at 07:57 AM
I personally want to thank Gov. Brown, Rep. Portantino, and Dr. Stout for saving me from being shot by an unloaded gun. It is a big worry off my mind!
Gerald E. Hall Jr. October 23, 2011 at 08:10 AM
After reading the above comments, I must say that writing to Jerry Brown and complaining is going to do no good. I beleive that what's happening now is a big push by the liberal left and democrats controlled by them now, to completely destroy our society and force it into the so called "New World Order", much the same as Europe. How's it working for them? I've made this co0mment on facebook, in e-mails, and in the Patch before and I'll say it again. If you are tired of what's happening to this State, and indeed, the entire Country, everyone needs to get off of their butts and vote them out. It's as simple as that, a ten minute trip to the polls on election days.
Popeye October 23, 2011 at 01:25 PM
First you have to clean house. Get rid of the KKK Tea Party. Don't waver on Pro-Life. Saying Obamacare makes us look bitter. GOP should be Christian/Conservatives so we need to support illegal immigration to support private enterprise. We need to get rid of Unions that support the public sector. Then maybe we will win, but right now our presidential candidates suck, so I probably vote Obama again.
Roberto October 24, 2011 at 03:35 AM
I support the Tea Party and I'm a Mexican. Everyone has their hand in the working mans pocket. I don't care what scam or ruse is being used to raise taxes. The answer is hell no! If the liberals want to raise taxes on the Rich I'm fine with it as long as the cut our taxes by an equal amount so we can pay the new higher prices at the register. Liberals want to increase entitlements and now they want to restrict our legal ownership of handguns. We don't need anymore stinking givernment regulations!
Son of Liberty October 24, 2011 at 05:58 PM
@ POPEYE, you say to quit blaming Obama,and take responsibility of myself..?...well, at your request, I did. And so I found this quote to from Obama that I would like YOU to explain to ME please. "I just want you to know that we are working on it," Brady recalled the president telling them. "We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar." Here is a link to help you in determining why I should not blame Obama and his Liberals. http://nation.foxnews.com/guns/2011/05/25/obama-were-working-gun-control-under-radar Also Why do you label the Tea Party KKK?
Megan Batson October 24, 2011 at 06:43 PM
Well I guess I disagree with half of you on this, I like the law I am glad it is going to be in affect, cause there are alot of crazies out there you will just pull out there gun and just shoot some random person for no reason, there have been 953 handgun murders in california here is a link go check it out it is the gun crime statistics http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state scroll all the way down and look at california were the only state with the highest number for murders for using handguns
Major October 24, 2011 at 07:07 PM
It is very unfortunate that people like you are so uninformed because I suspect you vote and are subsequently part of the problem and being used to destroy this country. You will of course refute this but the same politicians that would deny a law abiding citizen the means to defend themselves are the same politicians who are behind most of the Bad being done to our Republic. Crazies do not get Gun Permits, let alone Conceal and Carry Permits but a crazy will burglarize your home or one of your neighbors to get the weapons they need to wreak their havoc. I know there is no reasoning with you; the brainwashing goes very deep for generations and you probably don't even own a firearm but of course you can be used to prevent others from what is in fact a Constitutional Right and thus you are also UnAmerican. Surprised? Ironically, you are not alone and we find ourselves in a nation with many people who willingly or unknowingly are helping the enemies of our country and unfortunately most of you will realize too late that you have committed suicide and worse, doomed your children and their children to slavery. Allow me to have another woman make my point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1u0Byq5Qis&feature=related
Diana October 24, 2011 at 08:32 PM
Well said
Diana October 24, 2011 at 08:40 PM
I would suppose that those that do not own a firearm or are against firearms have not given much thought to protecting themselves or there loved ones in the event that something happens, I would also guess that these same people would rely on our Police force for that protection and have not given any thought to the fact that it could take 45 mins or longer for that force to show up and if you are in a life threatening situation that 45 mins would be to late. In many of our States where there are not as many "random murders" perhaps it is because these other States allow people to bare arms. In AZ you can pack a gun on you any time, any where. In your midwest States they ride with shotguns in their trucks. Although there are idiots out there that fire for no reason, maybe if they thought someone might fire back at them then they would think twice about their actions before they try to car-jack you, rob your home, steal your purse and so on. Why is it that so many people just don't want to take care of their own and rely on the Government for direction, and protection??????? It will be a cold day in hell before I give up my rights to a firearm.
S.S. October 24, 2011 at 11:29 PM
The crazies that are going to pull out a gun and shoot someone are STILL going to pull out a gun and shoot someone regardless of what laws are in effect.. This law is preventing people from self defense if need be. If someone was to break into your home, how would you protect yourself and your children? Intruders don't care who they hurt in order to get what they want.
S.S. October 24, 2011 at 11:36 PM
I agree with you, Major. Sometimes I just don't even comment on certain stories on here because *I KNOW* the kind of comments that will follow. It amazes me how stupid people can be. But then again, sometimes I'll read a person's comments on stories, such as yours and "Diana's" and think Ok.. there are still some people with a brain left.. and that makes me hopeful :)
Tonto October 24, 2011 at 11:47 PM
A friend of mine sounded like you. Then Richard Ramirez the "Night Stalker" visited his neighbors house one night. He changed his thinking and now owns handguns and aims ... he he he.. to protect himself :)


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