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Holiday Weekend DUI Checkpoint Scheduled In Lake Elsinore

"Our message is simple and unwavering: If we find you driving impaired, we will arrest you. No exceptions," said Sgt. Marc Cloutier.

There have been several DUI checkpoints scheduled in and around Lake Elsinore over the last few weeks, and another is coming.

The Lake Elsinore Police Department has joined nearly 10,000 other law enforcement agencies nationwide in support of an intensive crackdown on impaired driving known

The next DUI/Driver's License Checkpoint is scheduled tonight at an undisclosed location within the Lake Elsinore city limit.

In 2009 alone, 10,839 people died in crashes in which a driver or motorcycle rider was at or above the legal limit, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). The age group with the highest percentage of alcohol-impaired-driving fatalities in motor vehicle traffic crashes was the 21-to-24 age group, the NHTSA reported.

“All too often, innocent, law-abiding people suffer tragic consequences and the loss of loved ones due to this careless disregard for human life. Because we're committed to ending the carnage, we're intensifying enforcement during the crackdown. Since twice as many alcohol-impaired accidents occur over the weekend and four times as many occur at night, we will be especially vigilant during these high-risk times when impaired drivers are most likely to be on our roads,” said Riverside County Sheriff’s Department Sgt. Marc Cloutier in a news release.

Riverside County Avoid the 30 Task Force will also deploy additional DUI Driver's License Checkpoints, Multi Agency DUI Task Force operations and local Roving DUI patrols over the Labor Day weekend.

"Our message is simple and unwavering: If we find you driving impaired, we will arrest you. No exceptions. Even if you beat the odds and manage to walk away from an impaired-driving crash alive, the trauma and financial costs of a crash or an arrest for driving while impaired can still destroy your life,” the sergeant wrote.

“Violators will face jail time, loss of their driver licenses, or being sentenced to use ignition interlocks. Their insurance rates go up. Other financial hits include attorney fees, court costs, lost time at work, and the potential loss of job or job prospects. When family, friends and co-workers find out, violators can also face tremendous personal embarrassment and humiliation,” the sergeant added.

 

David Pereira September 02, 2011 at 02:37 PM
Wasn't there one just last weekend?
Major September 02, 2011 at 02:38 PM
These Check Points are a clear violation of our Constitution. I agree with :Son of Liberty.
David September 02, 2011 at 02:55 PM
I am pretty sure you are correct sir. It seems like they had a few DUI arrests. Is this really cost effective? Do they arrest more suspects this way? How does it compare to the arrests for a normal patrol?
kms September 02, 2011 at 03:12 PM
What are you afraid of? If you are on the roads and in violation of driving impaired, you should be pulled over and put in jail. Are you kidding me? People are crazy. There is no concern for anyone these days.
M. Lee Davis September 02, 2011 at 03:54 PM
Yeah, you agree until someone you love is killed by a drunk driver. Then after you lose your husband or wife or son or daughter or grandchild, then you will have full support for check points. I agree with Michael Crawford,,,,,If you don't break the law and drive while under the influence of alcohol, you have nothing to worry about..
Rob September 02, 2011 at 04:21 PM
Michael "The parrot" Crawford. Yes Elsinore did have a checkpoint last week; I believe they had one DUI related arrest. The name is misleading. This is nothing less than a CHECKPOINT. Stop all and search for ANYTHING ILLEGAL. Have a traffic warrant, off to jail. They swipe your DL and, while stopped, they inspect your car. People get ticketed for a faulty brake light, burned ot head light, no front license plate, etc.Towed for lack of registration, or proof of insurance (search the towing scams). The checkpoint is an erosion of liberty. The Supreme Court all but conceded it was an erosion of liberty: "While acknowledging that such checkpoints infringed on a constitutional right, Chief Justice Rehnquist argued the state interest in reducing drunk driving outweighed this MINOR infringement." "That stopping every car might make it easier to prevent drunken driving...is an insufficient justification for abandoning the requirement of individualized suspicion", dissenting Justice Brennan insisted. The Supreme Court Ruled ...... AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION! The Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution states that: “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persos or things to be seized.”
Fred E. Black September 02, 2011 at 07:23 PM
They need to get with it and divert officers down to the lake for all those drunken boaters & jet-skiers! does it take someone to get killed B4 they do?
kms September 02, 2011 at 07:32 PM
Bring on the check points every weekend. If you have your house in order, why shouldn't everyone have to abide by the same rules. If you don't think it is fair that cars are stopped, searched, proof of Ins. and a proper working car with everything needed to perform well and safely, then maybe people should stay off the road. Not to mention having a drink and getting behind the wheel. We are at a ZERO tolerance level. PERIOD!!!! If you sign up to get a drivers license, YOU and YOU alone are responsible every time you turn that car on. So if you don't want to be subjected to random check points.....stay off the road.
Rob September 02, 2011 at 08:00 PM
Didn't a drunken man drown their recently? No matter... a novel concept .... if you want to arrest drunks ... go to where they drink!
Rob September 02, 2011 at 08:20 PM
Every should have to abide by the same rules, that is not the point. The point is that the checkpoints violate the Constitution. No one here is supporting drunk driving, high driving, or illegal driving in any manner. We oppose illegal stops and infringement on the Fourth Amendment to the Constitition. The Supreme Court allowed the checkpoins for ONE purpose..... DRUNK DRIVING. The stats are clear, the checkpoints are not focused on drunk driving. I posted stats in my other posts, here are more (focused on Cali) http://californiawatch.org/dailyreport/year-checkpoint-delivered-thousands-impounds-9482
Rob September 02, 2011 at 08:20 PM
Much like the teachers use placards of our kids to pad their pockets, the cops use drunk driving and "protecting the people" to pad their pockets. We have also discussed the outlandish pay structure, at least in Murrieta, for ALL but with a focus on cops and fire. http://murrieta.patch.com/articles/murrieta-police-execs-take-pay-cut-heading-into-fiscal-year?ncid=following_comment Thirty-four percent of Murrieta's city employees earned salaries of more than $100,000 in 2010. Of those, only 14 (3.5 percent) were civilian employees who could be affected by a voter mandate to limit the pay of "top administrators." The city also had four employees who earned more than $200,000 last year: police Chief Mark Wright, who took home $243,918; City Manager Rick Dudley, who earned $222,260. In addition, the two police captains were paid $212,800 and $206,500. < one is now Chief and acts as the "supervisor for these checkpoints). http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/murrieta/article_96628400-f010-5b80-b597-e9eb957e79d5.html
Son of Liberty September 02, 2011 at 09:03 PM
Mr. Crawford and Mr. Davis: So should we set up checkpoints at your front door that violate the constitution to monitor all other laws? Since you wont be breaking any of the tens of thousands of laws on the book, you should be first. Is a checkpoint going to stop all drunk drivers Mr. Davis?....is a ban on forks going to stop OBESITY? Your reasoning is very nieve in my opinion. Mr. Crawford, how about all the vechicles who's drivers were not intoxicated that got impounded? say for no insurance. I suppose you must think that if there was no intoxication they let all other infractions fly in the wind. People die in intoxicated accidents yes, but it is not reason to make the CONSTITUTION null and void. Tyranny is the only result. So keep along with your "Won't happen to me attitude", and enjoy the train ride to the bakery.
Son of Liberty September 02, 2011 at 09:18 PM
Touché Major, Could'nt of said it better myself! Myself, Father, Grandfather, Greats and so on have served only to be disrespected and trampled on. DONT TREAD ON ME!
kms September 02, 2011 at 09:28 PM
I hear what your saying. I am sure anywhere you look althrough history there has been corruption. I do not feel these stops are to pad their pockets. There will always be bad apples and for sure the next time they come up for re-election your opinon and stats can some out. But to say that the reason is not to get drunk drivers off the road is not right. I truly feel the officers who have taken an oath to protect and serve are there for us. You make it sound like they are in this to score some extra benefits. I can not imagine what these officers have to deal with these days. There are so many unstable and crazy people out there I would not want that job. I choose to believe they are doing a great job for the city and truly they should be commended and not all be put into YOUR file as misusing their power. Times are only going to get harder. I am a tax payer and will gladly pay for check points every weekend.
kms September 02, 2011 at 10:09 PM
I also have gone through a check point stop about 6 months ago in Lake Elsinore. My son had been visiting a friend of his and he called me to come pick him up because I did not want him to walk home alone and in the dark. So I was already in my pajamas, put on a pair of slippers and dashed out of the house. Before I knew it turning onto Grand Ave and getting close to Terra Cotta School I could see the cones and officers up ahead. I began look for my registration, ins card and prepared to get my license out, the only problem was, I dashed out of the house so fast to pick up my son, I forgot my wallet. The only thing I could do was to tell the officer the truth. I had to then speak to the head officer on duty that night and I explained that I dashed out of the house in my PJ;s and just wanted to pick up my son that was not even a mile from our home. He could see that I was sincere and he let me go!! He could have impounded the car, given me a ticket for driving without a license, but he was genuinely more concerned about my son getting picked up and brought home safely. Not everyone is bad.
M. Lee Davis September 03, 2011 at 05:37 PM
@Son of Liberty; 1st of all my front door is my "private" property and last I knew and saw all check points are set up on "public" roads. So yes if they set up a sobriety at my front door step that would be a violation of my constitutional rights under the law as I know it to be. 2nd, no check points will not stop all drunk drivers as they are usually set up in stupid locations. If they want to stop drunk drivers then they should be set up in both direction leaving a bar or night club or pizza place where drunk people leave after guzzling 10-11 drinks and then crash their car in a ditch and kill other people. 3rd, no don't ban forks because we will just use spoons or the tip of a knife or our fingers or something like that. BTW, the for I use to eat with in no way can cause harm to any other person while I'm use using it. All your examples are irrelevant. Apples to Oranges. What I do in my own home is my business and as long as I and not putting any other person outside my home in harms way. I also NOT in favor of my neighbor operating a toxic waste facility or potentially explosive meth lab. Are you OK if your neighbor does? I agree with what you said to Mr. Crawford. These should be for sobriety only. Making people stop and present a DL and insurance is just like the Nazi Germany asking to "show me your papers". That shouldn't happen. Everyone knows it's just a revenue generator. Bottom line is sobriety check points should be just that, checking for intoxicated drivers.
M. Lee Davis September 03, 2011 at 05:56 PM
@Son of Liberty; To quote "People die in intoxicated accidents yes, but it is not reason to make the CONSTITUTION null and void". How is this making the CONSTITUTION null and void. Does the US CONSTITUTION only protect the peoples right to drink and drive without fear of persecution of local law enforcement. Do you know How much the CONSTITUTION covers. Were only talking about check points. Nothing else. Women and black people can still vote. I can still say OUT LOUD that I think you are an idiot. You say, and I quote, "I do not condone drinking and driving" but you seem to want drunk drivers to have some sort of protection under the CONSTITUTION. Like they have a right to drink and drive. Now all i said is that anyone who is against these check points would have a different viewpoint on them after someone they loved so much was tragically lost to a drunk driver. I would be even willing to bet that surviving family members would sue the police department for ending a check point just before a drunk driver would have passed through and possible been caught instead of continuing on and killing a family coming home from visiting grandma's house for the weekend. If only they would have kept it open for three more cars the Smiths would till be alive. You see, tragedy has a way of making people feel different about things. It make people see the other side of the coin and recognize that if they would have just removed the stick from their ass all is not an invasion of privacy.
Rob September 03, 2011 at 06:09 PM
"Waht you do in in your home is your business" - HA! You bleat like a well grazed govt sheep. Ask the mother who was executed by ATF on Ruby Ridge while holding her 10 month daughter. Ask the people of the house in Waco. Ask the marine who was shot 50 times. Social services sure as hell will follow what is going on in your house. Soon you will see fire inspections and .... the govt is now governing/monitoring your energy use, cable use. on and on. Do you think your cell phone is private? Janet Napolitano said Homeland Security is now monitoring Facebook! Huff, which owns Patch, is liely putting us all on a watch list. Well, lets watch them back. At a minimum, get youself a Mossberg 500 12 gauge pump action shotgun because the cops are not coming to your house to protect you ... EVER. They are coming to arrest, cite or fine you! If someone attacks you, they will take a very nice report.. if you live.
M. Lee Davis September 03, 2011 at 06:11 PM
@Son of Liberty; 1st of all my front door is my "private" property and last I knew and saw all check points are set up on "public" roads. So yes if they set up a sobriety at my front door step that would be a violation of my constitutional rights under the law as I know it to be. 2nd, no check points will not stop all drunk drivers as they are usually set up in stupid locations. If they want to stop drunk drivers then they should be set up in both direction leaving a bar or night club or pizza place where drunk people leave after guzzling 10-11 drinks and then crash their car in a ditch and kill other people. 3rd, no don't ban forks because we will just use spoons or the tip of a knife or our fingers or something like that. BTW, the for I use to eat with in no way can cause harm to any other person while I'm use using it. All your examples are irrelevant. Apples to Oranges. What I do in my own home is my business and as long as I and not putting any other person outside my home in harms way. I also NOT in favor of my neighbor operating a toxic waste facility or potentially explosive meth lab. Are you OK if your neighbor does? I agree with what you said to Mr. Crawford. These should be for sobriety only. Making people stop and present a DL and insurance is just like the Nazi Germany asking to "show me your papers". That shouldn't happen. Everyone knows it's just a revenue generator. Bottom line is sobriety check points should be just that, checking for intoxicated drivers.
M. Lee Davis September 03, 2011 at 06:11 PM
@Son of Liberty; To quote "People die in intoxicated accidents yes, but it is not reason to make the CONSTITUTION null and void". How is this making the CONSTITUTION null and void. Does the US CONSTITUTION only protect the peoples right to drink and drive without fear of persecution of local law enforcement. Do you know How much the CONSTITUTION covers. Were only talking about check points. Nothing else. Women and black people can still vote. I can still say OUT LOUD that I think you are an idiot. You say, and I quote, "I do not condone drinking and driving" but you seem to want drunk drivers to have some sort of protection under the CONSTITUTION. Like they have a right to drink and drive. Now all i said is that anyone who is against these check points would have a different viewpoint on them after someone they loved so much was tragically lost to a drunk driver. I would be even willing to bet that surviving family members would sue the police department for ending a check point just before a drunk driver would have passed through and possible been caught instead of continuing on and killing a family coming home from visiting grandma's house for the weekend. If only they would have kept it open for three more cars the Smiths would till be alive. You see, tragedy has a way of making people feel different about things. It make people see the other side of the coin and recognize that if they would have just removed the stick from their ass all is not an invasion of privacy.
kms September 03, 2011 at 06:54 PM
WOW.....so many of these comments sound like a bunch of angry,bitter and some just down right outrageous, frustrated individuals. All you are doing is spewing out hateted. The topic was about check points, and now your talking about getting a !2 gauge shot gun. Maybe you should go check out some of the worlds worse places to live such as Syria,Libya or Pakistan. I think you have it pretty good.
Rob September 03, 2011 at 07:34 PM
COMMENTS - I get the reply in my e-mail, but then come here and they are not loaded onto the site. Is anybody else having this issue? Shotguns - It is about protection. Those who support police enforcement of any and all because they feel protected ( as stated by the DUI checkpoints), are better served ... protecting themselves. That is the point. I do not sleep well at night because Murrieta PD or the Sheriffs. I sleep well, because I have protected myself from those that mean my family and me harm. The core issue being discusded is the erosion of civil liberties and the complicit nature of law enforcement in oppressing freedom, not protecting it. As for Syria,Libya or Pakistan ... the US is policing 2 of the 3. Aside from that your position is one of both cowardice and ignorance. One the USA is not to be compared to LESSOR freedoms but help up as a standard for the WORLD. Second, the US was intended to be ruled by, of, and for the people with FREEDOM as its core value (not religion, not govt assistance, not even govt protection. Sure, as Locke's writings suggest, we all give up some measure of freedom to be in a civil society. In the USA that limit is defined by our Forefathers. Those in DC today betray the work of those great men. The DUI Checkpoints are but one example. The Supreme Court ruled for these limited stops while ACNKNOWLEDGING they violate the 4th amendment.
Rob September 03, 2011 at 07:49 PM
Any results from this crackdown? I recall during the last crackdown they impounded a lady's car, with she and her kids left on the side of the road. No one was drunk but they must have posed some threat. I mean only illegal aliens are allowed to cruise around with no CDL, insurance, registration and still gain police PROTECTION (not arrest) free schooling, healthcare, housing, food, etc.
kms September 03, 2011 at 08:00 PM
I don't think you have to call people cowardice and ignorant. You are but human to. With flaws and failurs. You act like a bully that has it all together with all your fancy facts and spewing what ever comes into your mind. You have an OPINION ! That is your choice as are my comments. Calling people cowardice and ignorant must make you feel better. Maybe this is how you treat people all the time. Think before you speak.
David Pereira September 04, 2011 at 02:33 AM
ooh rah Sir
Rob September 05, 2011 at 08:21 PM
KMS - they are not fancy, but they are facts. That they offend some is of no concern nor consequence to me. Now, if it calls them to edcuate themselves, I will be the first to help them. Again, no one is standing up in support of drunks on the road, or crack heads or illegals for that matter. We are standing up in DEFENSE OF LIBERTY! You called the stats fancy, but you do not doubt they are FACTS. Cops eat up our tax dollars and enforce laws that go well beyond the scope all to fee at the govt trough. They are no differen than the cops you in those countires you reference. Paid for loyalty not of, for and by the people, but against the people. I am no anarchist and do not belive all are bad, but they are surely over-paid and w/o question enforcing laws that violate our civil rights for one purpose today, MONEY, and to what end history tells us is something we must stand up against today, or be oppressed by tomorrow.
kms September 05, 2011 at 10:57 PM
Personal responsibility, guided by moral principles eroded our freedoms. The cycle of dependency ONCE Americans became dependent upon the Gov. people stopped caring about the morality creating new laws that infringe on our liberty and increase our dependence on Gov. I got it!
M. Lee Davis September 06, 2011 at 11:02 PM
Where did you read that?
Son of Liberty September 07, 2011 at 07:52 PM
@Davis:The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and (effects), against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.The Fourth Amendment (Amendment IV) to the United States Constitution is the part of the Bill of Rights which guards against unreasonable searches and seizures, along with requiring any warrant to be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause. It was adopted as a response to the abuse of the writ of assistance, which is a type of general search warrant, in the American Revolution. Search and arrest should be limited in scope according to specific information supplied to the issuing court, usually by a law enforcement officer, who has sworn by it. The Supreme Court also held that individuals in automobiles have a reduced expectation of privacy, because vehicles generally do not serve as residences or repositories of personal effects. Vehicles may not be randomly stopped and searched; there must be probable cause or reasonable suspicion of criminal activity. Last I checked my truck had my effects in it. And at times my sleeping bag! And that has WHAT to do with your front door being " PRIVATE PROPERTY"?, Does it say in the 4th amendment, "excluding your car that carries your personal effects and papers" NO IT DOES NOT.
Son of Liberty September 07, 2011 at 08:15 PM
M.Davis: In an 8-to-1 decision, the high court sought to clarify an exception to the Fourth Amendment’s requirement that police obtain a court-authorized search warrant before entering a private home. The justices said in certain emergency circumstances a warrant is not necessary, provided that law enforcement officials act reasonably in compliance with Fourth Amendment protections and do not threaten to violate them. Yes, buddy...you are so safe on your private property. Freedom starts dying in small degrees whenever it is born, SOME PEOPLE realize it's weakness before death, many never realize it's gone even as they live in a tyranny that was once free....

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